Sure. If that is important to you, you can aspire to it.
How about if it turns out that photography can be art, can that not mean that there is something that we may decide to aspire to with our photography, if we so desire?
The art world isn’t a fixed entity.
Most people have never even thought about it. Meanwhile, we have had conceptual photography for 40-50 years where the photographer is in complete control. Maybe people whose knowledge starts and stops with HCB's Man Jumping Over Puddle (1930) think photography is about capture.
Meanwhile, I find myself sort of in the capture group myself I am old and old fashioned. So I guess I am more a hunter-gatherer photographer than a farmer photographer. Conceptual photography seems to me to be almost exclusively about the concept, and once the artist has created it, photographing it seems almost beside the point. I mean, you do need to have a record of what you have created, so I guess you need a camera. Sort of like when you make your kids Halloween costumes, and you take a picture of your kids wearing them so they will remember them.
Conceptual photography can veer off and approach illustration. Is it then a visual art, or a literary, or other art?
Photographic "capture" is actually more like recognizing a butterfly than capturing it in a net.
Beats me. I guess I would have to look at the photograph, read about what the photographer has to say about it, and then probably do some research. I'm pretty sure the lines are somewhat blurry.
A posting from June 30, “Modern Women/Modern Vision’ Celebrates the 20th Century’s Most Influential Photographers,” covers an exhibition currently up at the Denver Art Museum. In introducing the show, editor Grace Elbert says:
”One of the more accessible mediums, photography has long been an entry point for those relegated to the periphery of the art world…”
Because of the title of the show, I don't read that quote as being about photography being on the edge of the art world, but more about women frequently being relegated to the periphery of the art world. Though I do think photography is still seen as less than painting in the eyes of many. Now that anyone can take pictures with their cell phone, I don't think it's going to improve.
Because of the title of the show, I don't read that quote as being about photography being on the edge of the art world, but more about women frequently being relegated to the periphery of the art world. Though I do think photography is still seen as less than painting in the eyes of many. Now that anyone can take pictures with their cell phone, I don't think it's going to improve.
I hadn't grasped that, point taken. I withdraw posts #94 and #95. A good half of my favourite photographers were/are female, so I am very grateful they managed to find a way in.True. The intro refers to women being on the periphery of the art world. Being a female photographer was and probably still is to a certain extent two hurdles to leap in order to gain acceptance into the art world.
Because of the title of the show, I don't read that quote as being about photography being on the edge of the art world, but more about women frequently being relegated to the periphery of the art world.
Gregory Crewdson comes to mind. And Jeff Wall and Cindy Sherman…
Why?Being on the periphery of the art world would seem to be a lot better than being IN the art world. Sounds like something to aim for, actually.
Being on the periphery of the art world would seem to be a lot better than being IN the art world. Sounds like something to aim for, actually.
….but I think many people would put realism at the top and modern art at the bottom.
Nevertheless, the question posed in this thread was "Do you feel that you are “relegated to the periphery of the art world” because you are a photographer?"
I think the "glass ceiling" applies to women in almost every area of life. Art, as represented by galleries and critics and celebrated in culture and society, is no exception. There are probably more female artists than male, but they rarely get elevated to the state of the "great man" (if you're familiar with that theory).
Women got a later start as in many fields.
Of course that is just my take on it. You may think Crewdson and Wall are the best thing ever and want to see their photographs as often as you can.
I disagree, they likely started early on and were ignored by the me. That is why Great Expectations which was written by a woman was published under a man's name as the author.
Gagosian gallery in Beverly Hills recently had a show of his work. Very big prints, nicely displayed, although for me there were too many reflections on the glass form the giant skylights in the gallery. Here's a video of him discussing the work: https://gagosian.com/quarterly/2022/06/16/video-jeff-wall-an-exhibition-tour/
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