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I've always thought that the technical challenge of getting to the moon and back safely would pale in comparison to the technical and logistical challenge of faking a moon landing and getting everyone to stay quiet about it, in perpetuity. If you're going to go to that trouble and expense, you may as well go to the trouble and expense of just going to the moon.

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No one living within 20 or so miles of the Cape can believe they were a fake. The Saturn generated 120 decibels of sound at that distance and rattled objects like a mild earthquake. It was a bit over the top for any SFX studio at that time! :D

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No one living within 20 or so miles of the Cape can believe they were a fake. The Saturn generated 120 decibels of sound at that distance and rattled objects like a mild earthquake. It was a bit over the top for any SFX studio at that time! :D

PE

Yes, I was there... as I recall, you can feel it with your body like standing in front of a huge Marshall amp at an outdoor concert! Just a bit muted by the distance but similar.

The night flights, later on, were nice experiences too.

Sort of like the intense opposite of a total solar eclipse... suddenly for a few moments light returned and one could see again. My father told me a story that the workers there all carved (or wrote?) the names of their families on(in?) the ship, (mine included !) so I think I will believe. One freaky day he came home early all shaken up... he kept saying he had a premonition the flight was not going to make it... I got irritated and challenged him... he gave me a gawd aweful look and said "just watch"... seconds later it exploded. ESP or sabotage? I don't know, but I did hear from a security gaurd there that a LOT of weird things had been reported and documented.... Reality is sometimes stranger than fiction.
 
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No one living within 20 or so miles of the Cape can believe they were a fake. The Saturn generated 120 decibels of sound at that distance and rattled objects like a mild earthquake. It was a bit over the top for any SFX studio at that time! :D

PE

That was just for show, of course. There wasn't anybody actually in the rocket!

A friend of mine collects conspiracy material, and keeps his we-didn't-go-to-the-moon books right next to the we-went-and-found-alien-stuff-on-the-moon books. (Not to mention the tangentially related idea that we used alien tech from the Roswell crash to go to the moon!)

If the moon landings were faked, then what was the point of Apollo 13?
 

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A friend of mine collects conspiracy material, and keeps his we-didn't-go-to-the-moon books right next to the we-went-and-found-alien-stuff-on-the-moon books. (Not to mention the tangentially related idea that we used alien tech from the Roswell crash to go to the moon!)

Now, i have a really hard time believing that!

I'm sure there's plenty evidence, once we open our eyes and see passed the hush-up-job, that noone really believes that we-didn't-go-to-the-moon, and all that.

And i'll tell you why there was a hush-up: the powers that be don't want ordinary tax paying U.S. people (have you ever noticed that these rumours about there being conspiracy theories only exit in the States? Very telling...!)to know about the fact that they spent gazillions of dollars to collect a few rocks and a bit of dust.

And i'll tell you too why i know that. I'm not just someone posing as a bunch of bananas from Dutchland. I am a bunch of bananas from Dutchland! (But that's just between you and me, so hush!)
 

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The Saturns that I saw were the early, low power, unmanned versions. The manned versions were much louder I'm told.

As for interesting cover ups, try reading the book by Hoagland about the Face On Mars! :D Or better still, see him in interviews on TV. Now there is a real conspiracy theorist!

PE
 

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Here is one photographer's analysis of the veracity of the Apollo moon missions:
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Does anyone know what the exposure would be required on the surface of the moon sunlit side? Is it brighter than EV 15, sunny f16 rule?
Sam H.
No, It would be the Earthy 16 Rule, the exposure would be by Earth light.
 
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No, It would be the Earthy 16 Rule, the exposure would be by Earth light.

Why, no. By sunlight and moonlight of course.
The earth is too far away to have an impact. Just like moonlight doesn't contribute much to sunlight and earthlight down here.
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Why, no. By sunlight and moonlight of course.
The earth is too far away to have an impact. Just like moonlight doesn't contribute much to sunlight and earthlight down here.
:wink:

Full earthlight can be so bright it can cause double shadows, albeit the second shadow is weak. :D

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"... according to Harold Loden, Apollo 11 mission controller,
'The skin on the crew cabin [of the lunar module] was very thin,
and that was all done because of weight savings.' Another talking-
head added that, 'If you really took your finger and poked hard
at it, you could poke right through the outer skin of the spacecraft.
It was about the thickness of two layers of aluminum foil.' Project
Manager Thomas Kelly concurred, noting that 'the skin, the aluminum
alloy skin of the crew compartment was about 12/1000s of an inch thick.
That’s equivalent to about three layers of Reynold’s Wrap that you
would use in the kitchen.'
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Imagine! Anyone questioning the idea that our brave
heroes traveled a quarter of a million miles across the
vacuum of space, enduring radiation, micro-meteorites,
and 540° F temperature fluctuations. Pressing ever onward
in their intrepid pressurized space craft which boasted
a mighty aluminum hull having the thickness of 2 to 3
sheets of kitchen Reynolds Wrap! Why these lunar explorers
were so brave they even took off their helmets at times while
riding inside their little craft as it made its way to and
from the moon under the guidance of a computer system
nearly as powerful as a modern pocket calculator! It
boggles the mind that anyone would question such an
historic and obviously true event!

Besides, what possible reason could they have for faking
this monumental achievement by our government during a
time that the same government was under immense suspicion
and riotous near-revolt by its population over the highly
questionable waging of war in some little Asian country
whose name I forget at the moment because it pales in
comparison to the greatest human achievement in history
which was the Apollo Mission!
 

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Mind you: some countries too are fake.
Come to think of it, what's not?
 

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The skin of the Atlas missile is similarly thin and unless kept under pressure it would collapse. One did "deflate" when a workman dropped a tool from the top of a gantry onto a horizontal Atlas and it punctured the skin allowing this missile to collapse due to loss of pressure.

The whole idea of using thin skins to conserve weight was learned early on in the space program. It works!

The first 3 astronauts flew in thin skinned capsules which were reinforced by metal honeycomb spot welded to the interior. The honeycomb was not very thick either. The capsule had a surface that felt hard as a rock in spite of its thinness. I know, I knocked on it to see for myself.

PE
 

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Besides, what possible reason could they have for faking
this monumental achievement by our government during a
time that the same government was under immense suspicion
and riotous near-revolt by its population over the highly
questionable waging of war in some little Asian country
whose name I forget at the moment because it pales in
comparison to the greatest human achievement in history
which was the Apollo Mission!

Yeah, whatever. The definitive site for debunking this nonsense:
http://www.clavius.org
 

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I've done through few lines on clavious.org then I bumped into the term "conspiracists". if I am to labeled like that just because I question everything with logic and common sense, I'd rather not pay attention anymore to that lame categorizing. Conspiracy is a state of mind but facts are the facts, no matter who's side of conspiracy are you standing on. "Whateverists" should really take their time and run through all 12 pages of Dead Link Removed before another "whatever" is written.
 
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"... according to Harold Loden, Apollo 11 mission controller,
'The skin on the crew cabin [of the lunar module] was very thin,
and that was all done because of weight savings.' Another talking-
head added that, 'If you really took your finger and poked hard
at it, you could poke right through the outer skin of the spacecraft.
It was about the thickness of two layers of aluminum foil.' Project
Manager Thomas Kelly concurred, noting that 'the skin, the aluminum
alloy skin of the crew compartment was about 12/1000s of an inch thick.
That’s equivalent to about three layers of Reynold’s Wrap that you
would use in the kitchen.'
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Imagine! Anyone questioning the idea that our brave
heroes traveled a quarter of a million miles across the
vacuum of space, enduring radiation, micro-meteorites,
and 540° F temperature fluctuations. Pressing ever onward
in their intrepid pressurized space craft which boasted
a mighty aluminum hull having the thickness of 2 to 3
sheets of kitchen Reynolds Wrap! Why these lunar explorers
were so brave they even took off their helmets at times while
riding inside their little craft as it made its way to and
from the moon under the guidance of a computer system
nearly as powerful as a modern pocket calculator! It
boggles the mind that anyone would question such an
historic and obviously true event!

Besides, what possible reason could they have for faking
this monumental achievement by our government during a
time that the same government was under immense suspicion
and riotous near-revolt by its population over the highly
questionable waging of war in some little Asian country
whose name I forget at the moment because it pales in
comparison to the greatest human achievement in history
which was the Apollo Mission!

So it's like healthcare?
 

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And, one of many sites for debunking the clavius nonsense is:
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Regarding this site, IMHO the guy is wrong.

Here are two reasons:

1. Von Braun is talking about single stage rockets. So out of context that first quote appears correct. Later he corrects that by describing multistage vehicles and also multiple smaller launches which is exactly what NASA did in the end for the moon landing and for the space station among others.

2. People move slowly on the moon due to the suits they wear. The suits, under pressure, create quite a bit of resistance to movement and it takes a lot of force to bend a leg and an elbow. Besides which they must move slow to prevent falls which could be fatal by cracking the helmet faceplate or ripping the suit. In any event, all things fall about 1/6th the rate that they do on earth and so everything appears to fall in slow motion.

And, BTW, the tapes are apparently gone, but the film still exists!

Oh, and where are the double shadows in the second shot below?

PE
 

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