Anyone using LED lights for contact printing?

[John Dean]

Hello, I am going to be building a contact printing box to expose OHP negatives for Platinum/Palladium and Gum printing, as well as some silver contact printing.

Is anyone using LED lights in such a lightbox and if so can you comment on how the compare to uv fluorecet in regard to fluorescents in terms of exposure time. Also since there are so many types of led lights on the market, which work best for this sort of application?

Any help would be appreciated.

John

 

[Brindaloo]

Hi John, it's been a while since you asked your question, but I'll take a whack at it, as I'm currently experimenting with building my own exposure units based on UV LEDs.

My first exposure unit was a massive 2'X4' fluorescent tube construction that used 10x T12 40-Watt black light bulbs. (I believe they were GE 10526.) I found that, at a distance of about five inches, my standard printing time for full exposure of cyanotypes was around 45 minutes. This was with digital negatives printed on Pictorico OHP, the "original" cyanotype chemistry, and 3/32"-thick glass for my contact printing frame.

Last year, I moved to NYC and couldn't take my fluorescent monstrosity with me, so I decided to build a much smaller unit based around UV LEDs. Lots of people have used cheap LED strip lighting from Amazon to build exposure units, so I tried the same. A 16ft length of "3528 SMD" blacklight LEDs cost me something like $20. They claimed to emit in the 395nm-405nm range. I made sure to buy a non-waterproof version, which came free of any silicone encasing. (I figured that the silicone encapsulant, though clear, would absorb a lot of the UV light, reducing the effectiveness of the unit. I also thought the encapsulant might yellow or become brittle with age.) I cut the long LED string into shorter strings, soldered wires to them, connected them in parallel, and attached them to an aluminum plate roughly 8"x10". The resulting array was quite dense. I only conducted a few tests with the finished unit, but found that my printing times had reduced to about 20 minutes. I think the key here (compared to my fluorescent unit) is that I was able to bring my prints much closer to the UV source. I designed my wooden box so that my prints were about 1" away from the LED grid. It was not possible to bring my prints this close to the UV source in my fluorescent unit--the light fixtures I used left big gaps between bulbs.

In the end, despite the shorter printing time, I wasn't satisfied with my strip-lighting LED approach. My construction was a bit crude, and my LEDs never seemed to illuminate evenly. (Just by looking at them you could see that they weren't all the same brightness.) So, now I'm working on developing my own tileable LED circuit boards and a driver board to keep them at a constant current (and brightness).

You might have better luck with the strip-lighting. I think it's certainly a valid way to go.

 

[Brindaloo]

Hi John, it's been a while since you asked your question, but I'll take a whack at it, as I'm currently experimenting with building my own exposure units based on UV LEDs.

My first exposure unit was a massive 2'X4' fluorescent tube construction that used 10x T12 40-Watt black light bulbs. (I believe they were GE 10526.) I found that, at a distance of about five inches, my standard printing time for full exposure of cyanotypes was around 45 minutes. This was with digital negatives printed on Pictorico OHP, the "original" cyanotype chemistry, and 3/32"-thick glass for my contact printing frame.

Last year, I moved to NYC and couldn't take my fluorescent monstrosity with me, so I decided to build a much smaller unit based around UV LEDs. Lots of people have used cheap LED strip lighting from Amazon to build exposure units, so I tried the same. A 16ft length of "3528 SMD" blacklight LEDs cost me something like $20. They claimed to emit in the 395nm-405nm range. I made sure to buy a non-waterproof version, which came free of any silicone encasing. (I figured that the silicone encapsulant, though clear, would absorb a lot of the UV light, reducing the effectiveness of the unit. I also thought the encapsulant might yellow or become brittle with age.) I cut the long LED string into shorter strings, soldered wires to them, connected them in parallel, and attached them to an aluminum plate roughly 8"x10". The resulting array was quite dense. I only conducted a few tests with the finished unit, but found that my printing times had reduced to about 20 minutes. I think the key here (compared to my fluorescent unit) is that I was able to bring my prints much closer to the UV source. I designed a wooden box around the aluminum plate so that my prints were about 1" away from the LED grid. It was not possible to bring my prints this close to the UV source in my fluorescent unit--the light fixtures had big gaps between bulbs.

In the end, despite the shorter printing times, I wasn't satisfied with my strip-lighting approach. My construction was a bit crude, and my LEDs never seemed to illuminate evenly. (Just by looking at them you could see that they weren't all the same brightness.) So, now I'm working on developing my own tileable LED boards and a driver board to keep them at a constant current (and brightness).

You might have better luck with the strip-lighting. I think it's certainly a valid way to go. I think I gave up on it too soon.

 

[tnp651]

I'm late to this thread but I'll put in a plug for pre-made LED units, designed for UV-curing adhesive. My 20-watt unit 30 inches away gives a kallitype exposure time of 16-18 minutes (depending on developer).
https://www.amazon.com/QUANS-Violet...UTF8&qid=1514113743&sr=8-4&keywords=quans+20w
Tom Nelson

 

[tnp651]

This is my exposure setup. The UV light is suspended from a Lowell Scissor-clamp on the suspended ceiling, and a Lowell Pole.

 

[dlmorel]

This is my exposure setup. The UV light is suspended from a Lowell Scissor-clamp on the suspended ceiling, and a Lowell Pole.
View attachment 192420

Tom, What are your exposure times when using that setup?

 

[tnp651]

Tom, What are your exposure times when using that setup?

With the light 30 inches from the contact frame, my times are 10-18 minutes, depending on developer and toner.
Tom

 

[dlmorel]

With the light 30 inches from the contact frame, my times are 10-18 minutes, depending on developer and toner.
Tom

Thank you! I am considering purchasing one. How large of a print can you make at 30 inches? Can you go closer and expose for a shorter time with say an 8x10?

Thanks again!

 

[tnp651]

There's no reason not to come closer for a smaller print, and of course your exposure time will be less. You'd need to test for that, of course. I'm standardized on 9x12" prints and coverage seems fine. You might see some vignetting at 16x20 based on the longer distance to the edges. You could use two lights to get a more even coverage.

 

[tnp651]

I did some testing using an exposure meter. Photographic exposure meters aren't sensitive to UV but their response should be analogous.

Here's what I found with my Quans light:
9x12" print: 0.5 stop difference between center and edge of print
11x14": 0.7 stop difference
16x20": 1.5 stop difference

Tom

 

[Bob Carnie]

I did some testing using an exposure meter. Photographic exposure meters aren't sensitive to UV but their response should be analogous.

Here's what I found with my Quans light:
9x12" print: 0.5 stop difference between center and edge of print
11x14": 0.7 stop difference
16x20": 1.5 stop difference

Tom

Quans Light - is there a larger unit more powerful??.. I love the concept of what you are doing

 

[tnp651]

Quans Light - is there a larger unit more powerful??.. I love the concept of what you are doing

My 20W light is the biggest self-contained unit I found. There's this bulb Dead Link Removed but a) it takes a special socket and b) it's 254 NM wavelength. Kallitypes (and perhaps other alternative processes too) are most sensitive around 400 NM.
Tom

 

[Bob Carnie]

My 20W light is the biggest self-contained unit I found. There's this bulb Dead Link Removed but a) it takes a special socket and b) it's 254 NM wavelength. Kallitypes (and perhaps other alternative processes too) are most sensitive around 400 NM.
Tom

thanks for the info-

 

[DennyS]

Bob, Amazon is listing a QUANS 50W UV Ultra Violet LED Light for $85, but I think it would be important to contain the light, all that UV isn't good for your eyes.

 

[tnp651]

Amazon has dropped the price of the 20W Quans light from $50 to $30:
https://www.amazon.com/QUANS-Violet...UTF8&qid=1514113743&sr=8-4&keywords=quans+20w

 

[SasquatchQB]

Last year, I moved to NYC and couldn't take my fluorescent monstrosity with me, so I decided to build a much smaller unit based around UV LEDs. Lots of people have used cheap LED strip lighting from Amazon to build exposure units, so I tried the same. A 16ft length of "3528 SMD" blacklight LEDs cost me something like $20. They claimed to emit in the 395nm-405nm range. I made sure to buy a non-waterproof version, which came free of any silicone encasing. (I figured that the silicone encapsulant, though clear, would absorb a lot of the UV light, reducing the effectiveness of the unit. I also thought the encapsulant might yellow or become brittle with age.) I cut the long LED string into shorter strings, soldered wires to them, connected them in parallel, and attached them to an aluminum plate roughly 8"x10". The resulting array was quite dense. I only conducted a few tests with the finished unit, but found that my printing times had reduced to about 20 minutes. I think the key here (compared to my fluorescent unit) is that I was able to bring my prints much closer to the UV source. I designed a wooden box around the aluminum plate so that my prints were about 1" away from the LED grid. It was not possible to bring my prints this close to the UV source in my fluorescent unit--the light fixtures had big gaps between bulbs.

In the end, despite the shorter printing times, I wasn't satisfied with my strip-lighting approach. My construction was a bit crude, and my LEDs never seemed to illuminate evenly. (Just by looking at them you could see that they weren't all the same brightness.) So, now I'm working on developing my own tileable LED boards and a driver board to keep them at a constant current (and brightness).

You might have better luck with the strip-lighting. I think it's certainly a valid way to go. I think I gave up on it too soon.

I built my own similar setup, using two 5m strips of non-waterproof SMD5050 UV Led strip lighting hot-glued to a plywood board and wired in two sections through a 180W power supply. For gum bichromate, I ended up having print times of about 7 minutes, with the lights about 4 inches above the negative. Generally, it worked pretty well for the project I was using it for, but if I continue to do alt-process work seriously, I'll probably build something more robust.

 

[Minas Stratigos]

I built a box for 8x10 prints using 8m of these https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BHFPNGH/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

my exposures vary between 2-6 mins depending on the density of the negative, still working on it

 

[Trond Kjetil Holst]

I built a box for a 30x40cm contact printing frame, using almost three 5m rolls non-waterproof SMD5050 UV Led strips, mainly to make gum prints, but until now only used it for cyanotypes. Normal negatives gives 15 min exposure.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I started using LED's a few months ago. Smartest thing I ever did. I'm using eight, 2' bars, spaced out a couple of inches. These bars can all be plugged into a series. My kallitype have gone down from 8 minutes (with BLB tubes) exposure to 2:30. Carbon exposures (1000W halogen lamp) down from 15:30 to 4:30. Zero heat generated. I still have to test cyanotype. That was a 25 minute exposure on the BLB table. Should be a considerable reduction in time...I'm guessing around seven or eight minutes.

 

[StevieB]

I started using LEDs about 2 years ago, works great!

 

[Rolleiflexible]

As an inexpensive way into printing, the self-contained lights are great — you can get a 100w UV LED fixture at Amazon for about $60. I’ve hung one from the center column of a tripod, and control it through a Gralab. Works great. Re eye damage, they sell these things as party lights — can’t imagine ravers wearing protective eyewear around them but maybe I lack imagination.

Image attached.

 

[nmp]

As an inexpensive way into printing, the self-contained lights are great — you can get a 100w UV LED fixture at Amazon for about $60. I’ve hung one from the center column of a tripod, and control it through a Gralab. Works great. Re eye damage, they sell these things as party lights — can’t imagine ravers wearing protective eyewear around them but maybe I lack imagination.

Image attached.

I bought something similar recently from Amazon as well, a 100W 365 nm unit. I returned it after seeing that the radiation dminished (measuring with a UVA/B meter) drastically by over 50% within minutes and continued doing so until I yanked it. The casing was getting really hot too. Rather than wasting more time with it, I decided to bail. This was the third strike for me trying to top my ancient box using BLB spirals.

:Niranjan.

 

[Rolleiflexible]

Since my last post, the maker of my light (Onforu, on Amazon) now sells a pair of 96w UV LED fixtures that are perfect for this application -- they are oblong, 6x15 inches, with pairs of UV LED lights in a 4x12 grid. I hung them from the bottom of a 2x2-foot sheet of plywood, with 9-inch legs at the corners to hold it up -- that leaves 5 inches of space for the print frame. They are incredible! My exposure time for kallitypes went from 8 minutes with my old light to 30 seconds.

Apart from saving me hours of staring at concrete block, the light appear to have resolved one of my nagging doubts about this exercise. With my old light, I was not seeing the crispness in my prints that I would have expected in silver gelatin. WELL! The new light seems to give me back a good measure of the crispness that I thought was beyond this process.

I am curious as to whether others have found that the sharpness of their images is affected by exposure lengths -- I assume the increased resolution is a function of reduced exposure time, but if I am mistaken, someone please speak up. Here's a link to the lights, if anyone wants to investigate:


Sanders McNew
www.instagram.com/sandersnyc
www.flickr.com/sandersnyc

 

[nmp]

Wow...30 seconds is almost too short. Do you need to warm up the lights for any amount of time before exposing the print?

;Niranjan.

 

[Rolleiflexible]

Wow...30 seconds is almost too short. Do you need to warm up the lights for any amount of time before exposing the print?

;Niranjan.

Nope. Instant on. I agree about the time. My first test strip tested one-minute intervals up to 10 minutes and I knew I wasn’t in the ballpark when my one-minute exposure was the darkest on the strip. Imagine the hours I will reclaim with a 30-second exposure. Almost feels like cheating.