I regard that comparison to not be quite the same as a camera carrying the name Ilford Ilfocolor which indicates to me a form of deviousness. How would you all feel if I became a seller of colour film on Photrio that I said was Ilfocolor. You might buy it if the supply and price was right but I'd had thought my reputation as an honest, "what you see is what you get" would rightly sufferBut that would have applied back in the day to everything made by Ilford Imaging in Switzerland - all the Ilfochrome and other related products - which quite rightly bore the Ilford name.
Wouldn't bother me a bit if you had the rights to use the Ilfocolor name. Those rights would have been purchased from the bankruptcy trustee.How would you all feel if I became a seller of colour film on Photrio that I said was Ilfocolor.
With all due respect, your expectations of how names are used reside in the past. And while that is unfortunate ...
Perhaps there are clues in the film edge markings.
I think pentaxuser is expecting a connection between the product name and the name of the entity that manufactures the product. That and multi-year continuity between both. That is the expectation that has gone by the wayside.His expectations regarding the use of names is exactly what the businesses in question rely on when they use those names to label products for sale.
I think pentaxuser is expecting a connection between the product name and the name of the entity that manufactures the product. That and multi-year continuity between both. That is the expectation that has gone by the wayside.
Ilford Photo - in the context of the black and white products that are manufactured and sold by Harman Technology Ltd. - is also just a brand, although that license, which was bought earlier out of another, earlier receivership has been nurtured and supported well by Harman.
Wouldn't bother me a bit if you had the rights to use the Ilfocolor name. Those rights would have been purchased from the bankruptcy trustee.
Same for Kodachrome, if you were able to buy those rights.
Polaroid is now being used by an entity that has only the slightest connection with the original Polaroid.
And you don't want to know what has happened to the once valued name of Bell and Howell.
The same applies to ADOX, and Agfa.
And that is why companies use such names in the first place. They depend on brand recognition to sell product. The average consumer doesn't question that branding but buys the product because of the recognized name.
Matt, I just expect people and companies are a collection of people, to avoid misleading consumers which is what I think is happening here . Yes it happens all the time but I regret that we are moving in that direction. I think there is a deeper philosophical point here than merely a discussion on the split between the product name and the company that manufactures the productI think pentaxuser is expecting a connection between the product name and the name of the entity that manufactures the product. That and multi-year continuity between both. That is the expectation that has gone by the wayside.
Whirlpool is still Whirlpool, however Whirlpool bought Maytag which bought Amana. Whirlpool has accumulated at least a dozen brands. People want a Maytag washing machine, Maytag is basically the same as a Whirlpool made on the same line, same product with different features and graphics. Electrolux bought the Frigidaire product line.Wouldn't bother me a bit if you had the rights to use the Ilfocolor name. Those rights would have been purchased from the bankruptcy trustee.
Same for Kodachrome, if you were able to buy those rights.
Polaroid is now being used by an entity that has only the slightest connection with the original Polaroid.
And you don't want to know what has happened to the once valued name of Bell and Howell.
The same applies to ADOX, and Agfa.
Just like if you buy a Whirlpool washing machine - that trade mark is now owned by Electrolux, I believe.
The names don't mean a lot any more, unless they are attached to an entity that is deserving of trust.
In the Ilford world, Harman Technology Ltd. are entitled to use the Ilford name for black and white products, but they use Harman for others, and in both cases they have built the existing trust, because the old Ilford Limited hasn't existed for years.
With all due respect, your expectations of how names are used reside in the past. And while that is unfortunate ....
Maybe Whirlpool should make disposable cameras.
Does anyone think the target market for this product cares one tiny bit?
I do see a lowering of standards of honesty and I for one regret such a happening. I still see what I regard as a misleading label on a camera as devious. So "that's the new standard, get over it!" may be the new response, conditioned by what has become the "norm" but "learn to live with what is the new now " is a road down which I'd rather not go and not something we should accept lightly.
Rebranding (or contract manufacturing) has been around much longer than people are giving it credit for. It's a way for a company to sell an expanded line of products even though they don't have the capacity to make all of those types of products.
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But you could buy rebranded film in the 1990s, it's just that nobody buying store brand or relabeled color film got bent out of shape about what the film really was.
Such rebranding is about as old as dry-plates...
Thanks for the correction about who owns whom.Whirlpool is still Whirlpool, however Whirlpool bought Maytag which bought Amana. Whirlpool has accumulated at least a dozen brands. People want a Maytag washing machine, Maytag is basically the same as a Whirlpool made on the same line, same product with different features and graphics. Electrolux bought the Frigidaire product line.
Maybe Whirlpool should make disposable cameras.
Thanks - said much better than how I tried to say it.Years ago I read 'No Logo' by Naomi Klein, and what I took from that book was the way brands have become separated from the production of their products. Brands market a lifestyle to buy into and the actual product is produced wherever and often changes to other locations. The interesting bit is we still associate the brand with making their own product, maybe because we're old enough to remember when it used to be like that. I guess the kids don't think that way any more.
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