AGFA Neutol + Forte papers.. anyone?

[Sean]

Hi, I'm going to be experimenting with Neutol and Forte polywarmtone and some standard VC Forte as well. I have an idea what I might get with the regular forte but am curious about polywarmtone & neutol, I think it might be an interesting combo..

 

[Tom Hoskinson]

Is this the Neutol WA or one of the other flavors of Neutol?

 

[Alex Hawley]

Works well IMO Sean. The only combo that I've tried is Polywarmtone and amidol. Very beautiful.

 

[Peter Schrager]

Polywarmtone+

Sean-I use this paper with Zone-VI developer @ 1:4. I then tone it in selenium. This dev. is dektol variant. Regardless of what you use this is a great paper and will probalbly respond to whatever yiou like with it. Just play long enough to make it YOURS and it will work for you. LPD works well just mix it at 1:6 or higher. Have fun!
Regards, Peter

 

[Sean]

Thanks guys, I hope I like the warmtone since there is a good supply of local stock available.. I also have some fotospeed DV10 developer that I can try (I really like that developer with agfa papers)

 

[Bob F.]

Great minds think alike! I received some Forte Polywarmtone for the 1st time this morning and will be trying it in Neutol WA (I just uploaded a scan of Ilford MG warmtone in Neutol WA to the Gallery)...

Cheers, Bob.

 

[James Bleifus]

I've used Neutol with regular Forte VC and loved it. Everyone asked what toner I was using. Forte doesn't work for me as good as Azo, though.

Cheers,

James

 

[Soeren]

For whats its worth Im using Polygrade RC in Neutol WA. I find that 1/4 dilution serves me well. I develop for somewhat long, 2min but YMMW.
Regards Søren

 

[Snapper]

Yes, it is an interesting combo. I mostly use Forte Polygrade with Neutol WA at 1+11 - gives a very good warm tone.

 

[arigram]

I have recently tried Forte Polywarmtone with Agfa Neutol WA for the first time. My other paper developer has been Ilford Multigrade. Neutol WA in general, even in Ilford MGD RC papers gives a slight tint that exaggerates the greenish cast of the papers also it creates a seperation between highs and midrange tones which seem a bit abrupt. It is a nice effect if you are going for it.
With Forte Polywarmtone, Neutol WA gives a very warm image, with more tone than Ilford Multigrade Warmtone FB. I could not differentiate between them in terms of tonallity or quallity but they have very different tone, the Ilford looking almost neutral compared to the Forte. The tone is almost like a faint sepia, that much colored it gets!

 

[doughowk]

I've been using Agfa Neutol WA with Forte Fortezo graded papers; and the combination creates a somewhat warm-tone appearance. For a cooler look, I switch to Agfa Neutol Plus. Haven't yet tried the Polywarmtone papers.

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

Neutol-WA and Forte Elegance graded is a little too green for my taste, but it might tone back to something more neutral in selenium. I didn't pursue it.

 

[NikoSperi]

I'm with Doug here and the Fortezo + Neutol WA. As it is, the Neutol is very warm. I would imagine a warmtone paper AND a warmtone developer might be over the top. But I've never tried.

 

[sp_maher]

For my cold tone printing I use Neutol Plus and Forte VC or the Arista.edu equivalent. Standard dilutions and development times work very well for me. I love the look--it's not too industrial looking. The tone is very smooth and steely.

Regards,

Sean

 

[Tom Stanworth]

Ive found that straight old ilford multigrade dev produces the nicest results. Still warm and less green cast. The prob with selenium with this paper is that to prevent a horrid plum, you need to partial tone only, so you end up with green mids/highs and plum shadow is you use a dev that gives a green cast. I found multigrade dev gave a more neutral results which with partial selnium, was nice. I FAR prefer this to Ilford w/t. I just used a few more sheets of the Ilford and it confirmed that for me the Forte is in another league altogether when it come to producing glowing prints with their own internal light source. Prob, just that I am not able to get Ilford to sing...

 

[ongarine]

Neutol WA and FortePolywarm tone are a very good couple, if you looking for warm tone tones.
FortePolywarmtone will have a good to big contrast at low diluition 1:4 and the tone will be dark brown. More diluted the Neutol WA will give you more gentle tones and a more sepia tonality.
You can control the contrast with high diluition from 1:7 to 1:11. Time of development will increase a little. These are my prefered diluitions with FortePolywarmtone.

 

[Sean]

I am not sure which Neutol I have since the bottle only says "Neutol", there are no other markings. Anyway, today I printed forte polywarmtone with Neutol (from polaroid 665 negs) and I'm in heaven! I'm going to stock up on this combo as much as possible, it's exactly what I've been looking for..

 

[Scott Edwards]

I use Neutol WA with Forte Polywarmtone Plus HW diluted 1:11 which enables a better split toning effect when toned with rapid selenium toner diluted 1:16 for 2 minutes. The effect is three dimensionality.
Higher concentrations of solution (say 1:7) in Neutol WA gives a great deal more contrast and cooler tone.

I have used Neutol Plus developer with this paper and it almost looks like Polygrade V in results.

 

[John McCallum]

I am not sure which Neutol I have since the bottle only says "Neutol", there are no other markings. Anyway, today I printed forte polywarmtone with Neutol (from polaroid 665 negs) and I'm in heaven! I'm going to stock up on this combo as much as possible, it's exactly what I've been looking for..

The Neutol works very well on the forte polywarmtone imo too. I believe the Neutol and Neutol NE give a different look to the WA. I've been trying to get hold of the Neutol WA for a while, but unfortunately the NZ distributor will only supply in bulk + at a much higher price.
The Amidol is looking good (much cheaper too ).

 

[Ian Grant]

The Neutol works very well on the forte polywarmtone imo too. I believe the Neutol and Neutol NE give a different look to the WA. I've been trying to get hold of the Neutol WA for a while, but unfortunately the NZ distributor will only supply in bulk + at a much higher price.
The Amidol is looking good (much cheaper too ).

Go make up ID-78 I stuck it on the Formulæ section, "Chemistry Recipes" it's very similar and just a fraction warmer.

 

[John McCallum]

Awesome, Ian.

 

[abeku]

You can control the contrast with high diluition from 1:7 to 1:11. Time of development will increase a little. These are my prefered diluitions with FortePolywarmtone.

APUG is a great resource and the search engine certainly picks up valuable threads! I've been using polywarmtone during the last year and always been diluting 1:7 (Neutol WA) and have been pleased with the modest tones and contrast. I was surprised to see the flat effect and the sepia tone of my 1:15 dilution last night, but now when I read this thread I understand that's the way it is. Can someone explain why it is like that? What's getting exhausted in the developer causing the sepiatone and the low contrast effect?