Agfa APX 100 back?

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^Wow!

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Despite the name I don't expect the new films to have much in common with the APX we know.
A quick glance at the massive development chart showed that only Rollei Retro 400S has a similar long dev time in Rodinal. This film is an Agfa surveillance film (Agfa AVIPHOT PAN 400S) with extended red sensitivity.
 
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Any German folks able to help here? Google translate seems to be telling me that Lupus (who sells APX films) prices it soooooo cheap that no one will compete? Or better yet, Mirko, what are you saying?

 

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In a nutshell Mirko says as long as films are available at this price level introducing new emulsions simply means burning money.
He hopes that he can sell the CHS100II because of its special characteristics (unique sensitation, AHU layer and clear base) at a price level where it is profitable.
 

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Ahhhh! Ok makes sense! Well, I am jumping for joy! I looooovvvveeee APX100! I want this to last forever! I hope the new stock is the same in aesthetics, quality, tonality, etc., as the old.....

Many said the 1+50 in Rodinal was too long, funny that it is now 10, I've been doing mine at 10.5 mins (not sure if the stuff I have is already the "new" or the "old". I guess the "where manufactured" will be telling.....
 

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> only Rollei Retro 400S has a similar long dev time in Rodinal

Kentmere 400 too. All dev times fit acceptably to the Kentmere 100/400 films.
 

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Remember when Agfa released the new "updated" version of APX400? Most people panned it. I'm interested to know what is "NEW" about this existing range of emulsions Lupus is involved with.
 
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Oh German brethren, please let me know what Mirko is saying now??!!

Why am I seeing APX 25?!!?!

I am PM'ing him now, he's gotta bring this intel to the APUG'rs!

Frau Google Translate is for the birds....

German forum...
http://forum.fotoimpex.de/index.php?showtopic=3045&page=2
 

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More info!


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Per Lupus Imaging Facebook!

https://www.facebook.com/lupusim
 
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Thanks Andy for the info!
Maybe you could post on the Industry news so more people can see it! And it is so nice to see good news after a few bad ones! As they say: one down, one up!
I read the above and I got the impression that the APX 100 is also a new emulsion as Lupus has now run out of the remaining master rolls from Leverkusen, right?
 

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The high performer is back!
gives the impression the old APX400 is back.


The same time it says (not surprisingly)
New Emulsion


I don't know what to make of such statements by Lupus Imaging...
Well, it fits perfectly to their product naming of the past.
 

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Well, AgfaPhoto brought back Vista and CT Precisa films... But only remained the name, the film is made in Japan, and is most probably Superia 200 for the Vista 200 and Provia 100F (with an extraordinary price) for the CT PRecisa.
I think it is the same for APX400 ... Probably made somewhere in England with an emulsion known as Kentmere 400 ... Harman Technology is spreading this emulsion all over the world.
We have to check...
 

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Of course I do not doubt that this is a emulsion different from APX400. I doubt though, as you, that is a new emulsion in the proper meaning.

But what I actually tried to hint at is that the Lupus Statements seem contradictory in themselves.
 
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CHS 100 II is a replacement for CHS 100. The film has a similar spectral sensitization and is coated on clear PET. We are using a different emulsion system which raises the speed about 2 DIN compared to CHS 100 old and we offer an AHU plus a backside anti lightpiping layer to eliminate lightpiping.

If you are looking for an APX 100 replacement we suggest using our Silvermax 21 which is based on APX emulsion- and sensitization technology.

Best regards,

Mirko
 

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Oh German brethren, please let me know what Mirko is saying now??!!

Why am I seeing APX 25?!!?!

Well I guess I better don´t re-translate this Google translation ;-)

What I was trying to say over several posts was that we cannot compete with some currently set pricepoints and thus we have a hard time making a "generic" 100 or 400 speed film.
If we were to manufacture another film (after we are done with the polywarmtone paper) it needed to be something which fills in a niche and is not made by anyone else in a comparable way. One opportunity would be to remanufacture APX 25 or a combination out of APX 25 and 100 (which will come out to be a 50 to 80 ASA film).
Many components are now missing and we need to replace them. But we can manufacture the original raw emulsion system which is very, very sophisticated for APX 25 and 100. These are very old bromide-Iodide mixed emulsions with quite some chaos built in.

But this is just a theoretical speculation in the context of me explaining why we are NOT manufacturing the new APX 100 and 400 sold by Lupus. I am NOT saying that we WILL make APX 25 again any time soon.
I do promise though to run at least one precipitation out of curiosity and then we see how it goes from there.

Mirko
 
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Of course I do not doubt that this is a emulsion different from APX400. I doubt though, as you, that is a new emulsion in the proper meaning.

But what I actually tried to hint at is that the Lupus Statements seem contradictory in themselves.

Regarding Lupus Imaging, I do not blame them, because a lot of brands have no coating facilities, and they bring on the market very good stuff for a very affordable price (better than the original)...

But another Kentmere emulsion on the market... it would be too much no?
 

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I think it's kind of lame for them to be abusing the APX name for something that so much definitely isn't APX in any way.
 
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Thanks much Mirko for setting it straight! Frau Google Translate was putting words in your mouth. I wish you all the best on your next project-post-Polywarmtone.

Question re Lupus APX 100 and 400, do you know what country it is coated in?

Their Facebook page says the APX 400 is coated in the EU.
 

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If it is Kentemere 400 then why does Mirko's published times for Rodinal:

Kentmere:

Kentmere 400 Rodinal 1+25 400 7.5mins 20C
Kentmere 400 Rodinal 1+50 400 20mins 20C

New APX times per Mirko:
APX 400 NEW in Adonal (Rodinal) 1 +25: 11:30 minutes
APX 400 NEW in Adonal (Rodinal) 1 +50: 21:00 minutes


If the times are so varriant, then how can it be theoretically possible to be a Kentemere 400 clone when it's times are paradoxical?

Is it theoretically possible that Kentemere or Agfa Belgium coated this but used the actual recipe for the old (pre-2003) APX 400....

I want to be open minded here and will try it out, no matter where it was coated
 
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I think it's kind of lame for them to be abusing the APX name for something that so much definitely isn't APX in any way.

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Well I called a US distributor of Agfa film (Omegabrandess), they had no info re "lineage" of the films, though they have some APX 400 on order. I will try it out when it hits the street...
 
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Simon Galley has repeatedly said Harman doesn't use its films, Ilford or Kentmere, for other brands. They do custom coating as in the case of Rollei RPX films which are coated by them.
There are still several factories in Europe very much capable of producing ISO 100 and 400 films. Inoviscoat, Orwo and Agfa Belgium are just some of them.
 

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I think Simon was specific about the Ilford brand only. But my memory may not serve me well.
 

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So if that is the case Ricardo, then how can some (ohhh Rich and Clayne) be so certain this isn't "the old APX 400 formula"? How can a coater (Orwo, Inoviscoat, et al.) not follow a recipe? Isn't is conceivable Rich/Clayne that Lupus hired out say Orwo or some other coater to make the old stuff? Silvermax was made by someone, couldn't the same stuff be coated and sold as Agfa APX 100 and 400?
 
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