Adox CHS 100 & CMS 20 in 120 availability projections

[retina_restoration]

We definitely remain fully committed to photrio.
It is a great community and we've always appreciated the feedback we've got from the members here.

ADOX - Innovation in Analog Photography.
THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE ANALOG.

Question for Adox: when will CHS 100 II in sheet film sizes become available again here in the USA?? Freestyle sold me one of the last boxes of 5x7 they had and then removed it from their catalog. Nobody else has any, not even Fotoimpex. I'd like to be able to buy it again, please!

 

[Team ADOX]

Can I take it you are working on restoring the 120 machine or at least working towards the production of 120 films by some means?

We've been very open minded and transparent here on photrio concerning our work on an improved 120 film production process (which includes much more than the 120 film confectioning machine). We have explained that we are working on that, despite all difficulties and challenges.
That has not changed.

ADOX - Innovation in Analog Photography.
THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE ANALOG.

 

[mshchem]

We've been very open minded and transparent here on photrio concerning our work on an improved 120 film production process (which includes much more than the 120 film confectioning machine). We have explained that we are working on that, despite all difficulties and challenges.
That has not changed.

ADOX - Innovation in Analog Photography.
THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE ANALOG.

Clear statement. Good to hear from Adox. Best Regards Mike

 

[Prest_400]

Let's hope for the best outcome as soon as possible and thanks for the work done, a constant uphill battle. I also saw the response in a IG comment that a supplier for a component used in CHS100II proves to be a challenge.

Hoping to be able to take CHS100II in 120 for a trip next year

 

[JParker]

Very good to hear about the stable and sustainable commitment of ADOX.
And I really appreciate their very honest and transparent communication.
So far I have made exclusively positive experiences with their products. Therefore I am really looking forward to potential new ADOX offerings.

 

[Dustin McAmera]

+1
I'm a repeat customer just waiting to happen.

 

[Film-Niko]

+1
I'm a repeat customer just waiting to happen.

+2 .
I am very curious which new products we may see. Roll film would definitely be bought by me!
As well as Aviphot Pan 200 with Speed Boost technology.

 

[GregY]

Do I interpret this right? Announcements are premature... We'll let you know when it's happening.... ?

 

[fs999]

Just FYI:
Agfa-Gevaert's and meanwhile Imagelink branded microfilms are orthopanchromatic films.
But for an infrared film you need exactly the opposite: Superpanchromatic film (with extended red sensivity).

I know, it was Andrew O'Neil who compared it to Aviphot 200.

 

[JParker]

Do I interpret this right? Announcements are premature... We'll let you know when it's happening.... ?

I think there is no room for interpretation, ADOX has been absolutely clear in their post above (#122).
Quote, but underline by me:

"As soon as a new development or product is really ready for market introduction, we will inform the film photographer community immediately here on photrio, and on our social media accounts on facebook and instagram.
We continue to work on new products. Please stay tuned."

 

[pentaxuser]

I think there is no room for interpretation, ADOX has been absolutely clear in their post above (#122).
Quote, but underline by me:

"As soon as a new development or product is really ready for market introduction, we will inform the film photographer community immediately here on photrio, and on our social media accounts on facebook and instagram.
We continue to work on new products. Please stay tuned."

Thanks. What is clear is that he has told us all he is going to tell us and that when the product is ready he will announce it. What I wasn't sure about was whether there is any kind of a timescale be that almost imminent, such as a few weeks, a few months or stretching into more than say a year

Nico in his "news" video gave the clear impression that the timescale was one of imminence based on what he stated on his conversation with Mirko

So assuming Nico was not lying about his talk with Mirko i.e it actually took place( I don't know) and that he was listening properly( he may not have been) to what Mirko said to him then I got the impression that an announcement was fairly imminent

My follow-up reply to Mirko was an attempt to get corroboration or otherwise of whether Nico's statement of a timescale was in any way accurate

When Mirko speaks about Adox future products it is always more than "hot air" that we get and that what he says then happens. I have no doubt that Adox' intention is to restart 120 production and knowing that what he says to any recipient be that "newshounds " at very recent photography shows or us at Photrio is consistent then I had wondered if there might have been some indication of timescale available to us

There isn't and that's fine

pentaxuser

 

[Hassasin]

Thanks. What is clear is that he has told us all he is going to tell us and that when the product is ready he will announce it. What I wasn't sure about was whether there is any kind of a timescale be that almost imminent, such as a few weeks, a few months or stretching into more than say a year

Nico in his "news" video gave the clear impression that the timescale was one of imminence based on what he stated on his conversation with Mirko

So assuming Nico was not lying about his talk with Mirko i.e it actually took place( I don't know) and that he was listening properly( he may not have been) to what Mirko said to him then I got the impression that an announcement was fairly imminent

My follow-up reply to Mirko was an attempt to get corroboration or otherwise of whether Nico's statement of a timescale was in any way accurate

When Mirko speaks about Adox future products it is always more than "hot air" that we get and that what he says then happens. I have no doubt that Adox' intention is to restart 120 production and knowing that what he says to any recipient be that "newshounds " at very recent photography shows or us at Photrio is consistent then I had wondered if there might have been some indication of timescale available to us

There isn't and that's fine

pentaxuser

With you on this one too. What puzzled me a bit is why would there be an interview, whatever that means, with someone who is active on the web, and would surely be more than happy to be first out of the gate with such an awaited announcement (AODX knows it too), then the other side, being the reported source of such, comes down hard with a rather "slow down on that one" reply? Imminence was implied, then derailed, and one would have to assume both from same source, at least by association. Or perhaps that was the last interview granted ?

 

[pentaxuser]

With you on this one too. What puzzled me a bit is why would there be an interview, whatever that means, with someone who is active on the web, and would surely be more than happy to be first out of the gate with such an awaited announcement (AODX knows it too), then the other side, being the reported source of such, comes down hard with a rather "slow down on that one" reply? Imminence was implied, then derailed, and one would have to assume both from same source, at least by association. Or perhaps that was the last interview granted ?

Yes Nico's statement compared to Mirko's fairly neutral response( called a diplomatic response in the U.K.) made me curious as well and curious enough to do my follow up. There could be a number of reasons for this but we shall never know what they are and that's fine

pentaxuser

 

[koraks]

I think the issue with timescales in an inherently uncertain process, is that you're never quite sure if they materialize. I think this is just a matter of Mirko being cautious based on experiences with processes like these that often run into unanticipated problems. If he were to say today that 120 should be there by Christmas, and then it doesn't materialize, he's got an angry mob at his virtual doorstep. If some YouTuber says the exact same thing, nobody's going to pitchfork the guy for it. So there's the difference. One is more cautious than the other, because of obviously different interests.

 

[Hassasin]

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I think the issue with timescales in an inherently uncertain process, is that you're never quite sure if they materialize. I think this is just a matter of Mirko being cautious based on experiences with processes like these that often run into unanticipated problems. If he were to say today that 120 should be there by Christmas, and then it doesn't materialize, he's got an angry mob at his virtual doorstep. If some YouTuber says the exact same thing, nobody's going to pitchfork the guy for it. So there's the difference. One is more cautious than the other, because of obviously different interests.

Yes, but this was a meeting between the two, that gives this a bit strange vibe. One is charging ahead with awaited news, the other, commenting on apparently same meeting says not so fast.. Feels like Nico chose to say more than there was. Surely some hearts started to pump faster, hopefully nobody sits in ER right now.

 

[koraks]

Doesn't seem very strange to me, really. The way I read it, Mirko refuses to make an official statement. Nor does he deny what the other guy says. The other guy has a clear interest in breaking news. So how it pans out is that guy #2 offers his interpretation to the world and Mirko sticks with a neutral statement. I don't see anything weird about this, strange vibe, etc. Really, this sort of thing happens all the time. A lot of it has to do with commitments and deniability. From a business perspective, you generally try to avoid the former while retaining the latter.

 

[Disconnekt]

To me it feels like theyre saying that they've made some good progress, but dont really want to "jump the gun" so to speak & say just how much just incase something pops up & causes them a setback which will take who knows how long to fix

 

[MattKing]

Like as not, any introduction of new product is at least partly dependent on something outside of the direct control of ADOX.
It is like the sort of expectations I used to have from clients who would frequently ask if I could guarantee how long it would take for the Court to issue Letters Probate. For some reason, they expected me to provide a firm date!

 

[pentaxuser]

Well I have at least been helped to make up my mind about what store to place in Nico's News

pentaxuser

 

[Team ADOX]

Dear photrio members, please just relax. We are relaxed, so you can be, too . There is absolutely no need for any speculation or interpretation. As explained, we are working on it, and we've made significant progress.
We simply do not give a detailed timeline. For several good reasons, and also because we've made bad experiences with that in the past.
That's it. As soon as a new product is completely finished and ready to be shipped, we will inform you here.
Maybe you have also realized that recently several camera manufacturers have stopped publishing timelines / 'roadmaps' for their lens lines.
AFAIK the same analysis and considerations have caused their decisions.

We wish you all a nice weekend. Go out, take some photographs, and have fun .

ADOX - Innovation in Analog Photography.
THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE ANALOG.

 

[MattKing]

Dear photrio members, please just relax. We are relaxed, so you can be, too .

Or if you prefer .......

 

[JWMster]

Reading the Adox press releases, it sounds as though the travails of a low volume producer in a higher cost world are significant. Larger volume producers can inventory materials and avoid some of the supply and spot pricing issues smaller producers face. Intermittent manufacture of chems and films can't make it any easier. I suppose husbanding resources and careful production can work but surely its got to play havoc with distribution. Can it get any tougher? Probably not.

Guess I'm wondering whether the broad spectrum of the product line doesn't have to narrow to make all of this work. Don't know how many folks Adox and others have on staff, but that can't be an easy nut either. Seems as though a shift to focus (more?) on filling the emerging holes in chemistry lines is a solid, and welcome option. And yet... I'll look forward to return of your the film stocks. Surely private label is an option as well. Good luck with the 120 splitter, paper machine, etc.

 

[NedL]

I liked the "please relax" message. I'm also a repeat CHS100 customer and will stock up when it becomes available. Until then, lots of other 120 still in the fridge.

 

[Ernst-Jan]

I liked the "please relax" message. I'm also a repeat CHS100 customer and will stock up when it becomes available. Until then, lots of other 120 still in the fridge.

True, but they've said here that the best way to support them is buy their stuff. I would love to support them more than I do, but I am not much of a 35mm shooter. But still have loads of CHS100 II, Silvermax and Colormission in my fridge

 

[NedL]

True, but they've said here that the best way to support them is buy their stuff..... I would love to support them more than I do, but I am not much of a 35mm shooter. But still have loads of CHS100 II, Silvermax and Colormission in my fridge

Same! I pretty much only use 120 these days, and there's more 35mm in my freezer than I'll ever use.