ADOX Art Baryta

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

ADOX Art Baryta - now available.

ADOX Art Baryta is a chemically neutral acid-free paper base with 190g/sqm weight coated with a pure white Bariumsulfate-emulsion. Especially stabilized for the use with photographic emulsions or alternative processes. Also suitable for a coating with aquaeus dyes or dyes dispersed in oil. The bariumsulfate-coating enables bright highlights and keeps the coating from difusing into the paper base yielding higher sharpness and less consumption of the coated media.

 

[swittmann]

Mirko, these are great news. I look forward to buying one package to try it.

 

[Peter Schrager]

what is the price and sizes available??
Best, Peter

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Peter,

we made 8x10/100´s two weeks ago. Other sizes will follow.
The price is 29 EUR net.
You can buy it with Fotoimpex.
Once freestyle carries this item they will charge a similar price and you don´t have shipping to the US.
They receive samples now so it will take a few more weeks before the paper is available from Freestyle I guess.

Kind regards,

Mirko

 

[Photo Engineer]

Generally for coating, one needs a paper cut 1 size larger than the desired format. Thus for 8x10, one would probably need 11x14 and etc.

This has been my experience.

PE

 

[Photo Engineer]

I have had a chance to test this paper with my emulsions. I find that it is excellent quality with a smooth glossy finish. It coats easily and after processing it presents an image equal to or superior to the Baryta papers that I have used before.

PE

 

[Philippe Berger]

Mirko,
This Adox Art Baryta is with a layer of gelatin and it is Matt or Glossy
Please respons to mineurdecharbon@skynet.be
Thank you
Philippe

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Hi Philippe,

Is there any problem answering it here?
If you want a personal answer, then why don't you just send an email?
BTW, you should have made a new thread instead of piggy back an existent one, especially when this one is 3 years old.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

This Adox Art Baryta is with a layer of gelatin and it is Matt or Glossy

The paper base is coated with a bariumsulfate emulsion and a gelatin undercoat.
Like PE stated above it yields a glossy image when coated with a glossy emulsion. The raw paper is matte so it can be coated easily.
Here is the product description: http://www.adox.de/Photo/photopaper/adox-art-baryta/

 

[AgX]

This is confusing. Is that paper bought barytated, or Baryta coated by you?

 

[Simon Howers]

I'd certainly like to see this paper at 11x14 (or similar) size.

 

[Bob Carnie]

I would be interested in what different process this paper is good for??

 

[Peter Schrager]

Bob before you go and buy any let me know as I have boxes of 11x14 boxes of 100 sheets that came from Harmon.....cheap for you

 

[Peter Schrager]

I use it for pop process that I learned at Geh

 

[Bob Carnie]

Will it work with Pt Pd? or Gum over Pt Pd?

I use it for pop process that I learned at Geh

 

[Jerevan]

Buy and try, Mr Bob.

Or try this: fix out the silver from a normal silver gelatine fibre paper, say Ilford or Adox. There you have it. Try anything on this - it would be the same thing as the Baryta paper as far as I can ascertain. Then try whatever you may wish to try.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...If you want a personal answer, then why don't you just send an email?...

Why? Isn't it better for everyone at APUG to find out the answer too?

...BTW, you should have made a new thread instead of piggy back an existent one, especially when this one is 3 years old.

I disagree completely. Adding on to an existing, relevant thread is much preferable to starting a new, redundant one. That keeps the archive cleaner and more readily searchable.

 

[pschwart]

Buy and try, Mr Bob.

Or try this: fix out the silver from a normal silver gelatine fibre paper, say Ilford or Adox. There you have it. Try anything on this - it would be the same thing as the Baryta paper as far as I can ascertain. Then try whatever you may wish to try.

Actually not the same, as the Adox paper has a gelatin undercoat, but not an overcoat. That leaves the bartyta unprotected, and it's quite fragile. I tried to use the Adox with carbon transfer (single transfer) and it was very easily damaged during warm water development. I could size the paper with gelatin, but that's already done for me with photo paper. I also like a heavier paper, so I use fixed Ilford double-weight fiber with is 255 gsm vs the Adox baryta which is 190 gsm.

 

[Jerevan]

Aha - thanks pschwart! - I didn't think of this.

I am only thinking of using it in conjunction with (silver) emulsion/gelatine sizing, so I was mistaken there.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Why? Isn't it better for everyone at APUG to find out the answer too?

I disagree completely. Adding on to an existing, relevant thread is much preferable to starting a new, redundant one. That keeps the archive cleaner and more readily searchable.

I think you misunderstood my British accent.
You should have quoted me in its entirety as I said:

Hi Philippe,

Is there any problem answering it here?
If you want a personal answer, then why don't you just send an email?
BTW, you should have made a new thread instead of piggy back an existent one, especially when this one is 3 years old.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

fix out the silver from a normal silver gelatine fibre paper, say Ilford or Adox. There you have it.

Differences are:

1) Art Baryta is WAY cheaper
2) You do not need to do all of the above including washing and repressing. Art Baryta lies flat out of the box.
3) The undercoat is mat and designed to accept a coating on top (like mentioned above by pschwart). To coat on a supercoating is rather difficult.

If you expirience surface damages in alternative printing you can try a hardener bath beforehand or within the process baths. The base has no such chemicals in because they would affect your emulsion work. This is also an important difference when working with silver halide emulsions.

If you need any change to this product feel free to inquire. We can modify it. For example if there really is need for a thicker gel layer we could add this and make it easy to coat on in surface design.

Mirko

 

[Jerevan]

Thank you Mirko for the update and extended information about the product.

I agree with your points - and it is good to know one does not need to waste precious silver and can get it working right out of the box.

 

[pschwart]

Differences are:

1) Art Baryta is WAY cheaper
2) You do not need to do all of the above including washing and repressing. Art Baryta lies flat out of the box.
3) The undercoat is mat and designed to accept a coating on top (like mentioned above by pschwart). To coat on a supercoating is rather difficult.

If you expirience surface damages in alternative printing you can try a hardener bath beforehand or within the process baths. The base has no such chemicals in because they would affect your emulsion work. This is also an important difference when working with silver halide emulsions.

If you need any change to this product feel free to inquire. We can modify it. For example if there really is need for a thicker gel layer we could add this and make it easy to coat on in surface design.

Mirko

If this was available in a gelatin-coated in matte/semi-matte/glossy version, I think it would be popular with a lot of carbon transfer printers as fixed out photo paper is a standard support for carbon transfer. As you say, fixing, washing, and flattening photo paper is a bore. I'm glad Adox baryta exists, the trick is to find processes with which it's compatible.
Can you suggest a way to harden to baryta? I just assumed formalin wouldn't work, but if the baryta contains gelatin then there are a number of options available.

 

[Bob Carnie]

Anyone using this paper for Pt Pd? gum overs ? would there be any advantages.. trying to get my head wrapped around the usages of something like this.