ADOX acquires Ilford´s (Switzerland) medium scale coating line

[flavio81]

It is actually not such a great task to manufacture a true IR film again.

I thought that the difficulty was in that the operators at the coater cannot use IR goggles / IR cameras anymore to inspect the operation. If you can, please tell me if i'm correct. Many thanks!!

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

I thought that the difficulty was in that the operators at the coater cannot use IR goggles / IR cameras anymore to inspect the operation. If you can, please tell me if i'm correct. Many thanks!!

IR googles were introduced in about the mid 1980ies i.I.r.r. thus IR film has to be produced with the technology in place before this date. It makes it all a little harder and more expensive but not prohibitively harder or more expensive. It´s part of the higher price we have always charged for the IR version of a given film.

 

[John51]

Could you take orders that will be fulfilled once the break even point has been passed?

If a profitable short to medium sized run would satisfy demand for say 5 years, then those customers would probably wait a few years for the first run as long as they knew it was coming.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Could you take orders that will be fulfilled once the break even point has been passed?

If a profitable short to medium sized run would satisfy demand for say 5 years, then those customers would probably wait a few years for the first run as long as they knew it was coming.

We need to become able to coat small batches of film on our new machine.
Let us try a few coatings with CHS 100 II first. If this is all set up we can go one step further.
Your question is more targeting the "old" problem of minimum order sizes. But once the machine in Switzerland is ready to coat film we do not have this problem anymore!
We still need to invest in synthesizing the sensitizer though so in respect to this we can consider such a setup.

Best regards,

Mirko

 

[Bob Carnie]

Mirko

Do you ever see coating an ortho25 emulsion

 

[sepiareverb]

Mirko

Do you ever see coating an ortho25 emulsion

I'm a big fan of this as well!

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Mirko

Do you ever see coating an ortho25 emulsion

Ilford ORTHO?

 

[sepiareverb]

I recall an ADOX Ortho 25, which I've run out of. I use the Rollei now.

 

[Bob Carnie]

Ilford ORTHO?

Hard to buy , you know of sources??

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Hard to buy , you know of sources??

http://shop.silverprint.co.uk/Ilford-Ortho-Plus/products/182/
http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/ilford-ortho--495-c.asp
http://www.processuk.net/ILFORD_FILM/cat740598_2510212.aspx

Sorry, all are in the UK.

 

[flavio81]

We need to become able to coat small batches of film on our new machine.
Let us try a few coatings with CHS 100 II first. If this is all set up (...)

Mirko, I wish you all the success in the world for your first coating run on the new machine!! This not only a big step forward for Adox, but also an important step forward for us analog enthusiasts!!

 

[Bob Carnie]

http://shop.silverprint.co.uk/Ilford-Ortho-Plus/products/182/
http://www.ag-photographic.co.uk/ilford-ortho--495-c.asp
http://www.processuk.net/ILFORD_FILM/cat740598_2510212.aspx

Sorry, all are in the UK.

Thank you but I am looking for 100ft rolls of this product. not cut sheet.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Instead of waiting, you can use right now the Ilford SFX film.
If you had done that, you'd be now a master of it instead of moaning about discontinued films that will not be coming back anytime soon.

Excuse me?? Moaning?? What are you talking about? I've used SFX and it's not a real IR film. Also, I shoot mainly 8x10.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Thank you but I am looking for 100ft rolls of this product. not cut sheet.

Have you asked the factory?

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

Excuse me?? Moaning?? What are you talking about? I've used SFX and it's not a real IR film. Also, I shoot mainly 8x10.

Good on you!
Keep using it.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

I shoot large format. I guess you didn't read that bit.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

Does it come in large format? Nope. I'll stick to Rollei's IR. Thank you.

 

[Ricardo Miranda]

I shoot large format. I guess you didn't read that bit.

Ah! Perhaps you should try 35mm or 120, for a change.
I just tried 120 6x9 for the first time in 30 years.
Gorgeous, but I still prefer my OM 35mm.

 

[Andrew O'Neill]

As you know nothing about me, I have shot piles of those formats for 30 years, but I prefer large format. It's easier for what I do. Carbon transfer printing and other alt processes. There. Now you know something about me. Have a nice day!

 

[Lachlan Young]

Thank you but I am looking for 100ft rolls of this product. not cut sheet.

I recall Ortho+ rolls were part of the 2014 ULF offering - evidently no one took them up as they weren't there in 2015 or 2016 - I think the prices were in the GBP1500 range for 20inch x 100ft & GBP3500 for 40inch x 100ft. No idea however if that puts them over the MOQ price point for Ilford to package them as a special order

I gave serious thought to getting a 20" roll for making enlarged negs but didn't have funds or a project to use them on at the time

 

[adamlugi]

Dear Mirko,

I have two questions (maybe there were already these questions):

1. do you have Cibachrome formulas? - I have a lot of frozen papers and no chemistry and I am looking for a recipe to build P30 myself.

2. do you check if it makes sense to produce positive papers?

I will be obliged for your answer.

 

[flavio81]

2. do you check if it makes sense to produce positive papers?

Note that a positive-positive (slide to print) system has inherent problems that can't really be overcome due to the nature of the system. Mainly, the contrast range of the slide is too high, this creates a ton of problems. Photo Engineer had a post on this.

There are big reasons the cinema industry uses a neg-pos system (camera negatives) instead of a pos-pos system. and good contrast control (and ability to compensate for exposure at the printing stage) is one of them.

 

[Jordanpereira1]

Thanks for the information

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Dear Mirko,

I have two questions (maybe there were already these questions):

1. do you have Cibachrome formulas? - I have a lot of frozen papers and no chemistry and I am looking for a recipe to build P30 myself.

2. do you check if it makes sense to produce positive papers?

I will be obliged for your answer.

We cannot produce any P30 because there are substances used which need to be synthesized. The last production was in 2017 and all the stock was used up. Resynthesizing them involves a massive investment.
Remanufacturing Cibachrome involves an even larger investment, several years of R&D and a lot of expensive ingredients along the line.
It is technological possible but we do not have the manpower or financing at this point.

 

[K-G]

Congratulations Mirko/ADOX , the Swiss newspaper Neue Zurcher Zeitung has written a long artikel about ADOX investment in the Swiss plant.

So stellt ein Deutscher in der Schweiz Fotofilme her

Zehn Jahre nach dem Konkurs laufen in den Freiburger Ilford-Werken wieder die Maschinen. Damit beginnt ein neues Kapitel Schweizer Industriegeschichte.

www.nzz.ch

Karlk-Gustaf