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abruzzi said:
though the person he's responding to is in the USA.
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Yes I am in the USA but the software I talked about are more than $2500 each for a perpetual license. Progams like AutoCad, Rockwell Automation Programming Software, Siemens Programming Software etc..
 
And many/most businesses need more than one license. For most of Adobe's target market, $2,500.00 would be dabbling.
 
MattKing said:
And many/most businesses need more than one license. For most of Adobe's target market, $2,500.00 would be dabbling.
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Oh, I understand, my budget for software licensing at them moment is about 1.8m dollars annually, but most individuals buying photo editing software (the subject of this thread) were not paying $2500 or more for adobe licensing. Photoshop, when you could buy a perpetual license 10 years ago was about $700, well under the $2500 being thrown around in this thread.
 
For you that don't know, California had recently applied "click to cancel" law which from my understanding was also triggered by the shady practice of Adobe.
FTC then followed to adopt it to make "click to cancel" applicable to telecom companies which are notorious for this kind of practice. Aaaand...as you would've guessed it, the shady actors aren't happy and filed a lawsuit.

www.theverge.com

Guess who’s suing the FTC to stop ‘click to cancel’

Who would have guessed?
www.theverge.com www.theverge.com
 
Alan Edward Klein said:
Is that for Creative Cloud?
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I use Photoshop daily, either for work or learning new features. The subscription model suits me just fine, and I'm happy to be always up-to-date without having to pay $$$ every other year for a major update. What bugs me more is that Apple and Adobe seem to advance just enough to force me to buy either software or a hardware updates all the time
 
They're all about free market until the market react and call their rep.
 
I have an extra license that I don't need right now so I'll cancel it and let y'all know how easy or hard it is.
 
Do you have a Smart TV?

The EULA terms and conditions tell you that if you connect it to the internet and your wifi, they will have the right to look at and use the info and data on ANY device that is also connected over the same network - any device!!!

p.s. you must connect it to your network in order to use it, or it won't work.
 
jvo said:
Do you have a Smart TV?

The EULA terms and conditions tell you that if you connect it to the internet and your wifi, they will have the right to look at and use the info and data on ANY device that is also connected over the same network - any device!!!

p.s. you must connect it to your network in order to use it, or it won't work.
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And people see me a weird because I quit TV decades ago.
 
jvo said:
Do you have a Smart TV?

The EULA terms and conditions tell you that if you connect it to the internet and your wifi, they will have the right to look at and use the info and data on ANY device that is also connected over the same network - any device!!!

p.s. you must connect it to your network in order to use it, or it won't work.
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I just read my EULA (Samsung smart TV) and there is no mention of any of this. Do you have a source? I’m no lawyer but the Samsung EULA is pretty clear: If you use a Samsung TV (with a remote, keyboard or microphone to control the TV) they keep all that info and your watching habits and use it as if you were browsing the internet on your computer, which makes sense because TVs are basically computers on the internet now and can feed you custom advertisements and sell your watching habits to others. This I expect.

What it does not say is that they will somehow jailbreak your phone, computer, Alexa, smartwatch, etc on the same network and steal that info. That’s the part of your post that I’m interested in learning more about. Because it sounds unlikely and also illegal.
 
warden said:
I just read my EULA (Samsung smart TV) and there is no mention of any of this. Do you have a source? I’m no lawyer but the Samsung EULA is pretty clear: If you use a Samsung TV (with a remote, keyboard or microphone to control the TV) they keep all that info and your watching habits and use it as if you were browsing the internet on your computer, which makes sense because TVs are basically computers on the internet now and can feed you custom advertisements and sell your watching habits to others. This I expect.

What it does not say is that they will somehow jailbreak your phone, computer, Alexa, smartwatch, etc on the same network and steal that info. That’s the part of your post that I’m interested in learning more about. Because it sounds unlikely and also illegal.
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Does Samsung at least have an opt out? I think that should be mandatory in law. First off, the TV manufacturer is not supplying my internet and cable services. Thats' someone else (Comcast in my case).
 
There is no need for an opt-out of something that isn’t happening like made-up claims of TVs p0wning your network and other devices.

Secondly, yes, manufacturers that collect your viewing data do allow you to opt-out.
 
brbo said:
There is no need for an opt-out of something that isn’t happening like made-up claims of TVs p0wning your network and other devices.

Secondly, yes, manufacturers that collect your viewing data do allow you to opt-out.
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Problem is they usually make it very hard to find where and how to opt out. Or they deliberately give you so many selections some which you need to operate the base software, it's almost impossible to know which boxes to check off without damaging the base operations you need to make it still valuable. I'm thinking of Microsoft, Edge, Chrome and Google in particular.
 
MFstooges said:
You mean cable TV
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No, ALL TV. And, as of 15 years ago or so, ALL movies. And no streaming stuff. I do watch the occasional “How to Fix It” video on YouTube when I’m attempting to work on something, but other than that, nope. Sports? I’ve never in my life watch ANY sports: Super Bowl, World Series, Olympics, etc. Life is too short to spend time watching. I’d rather be doing. Plus, the average American watches something like 3-5 hours a day and consumes over 500 hours of commercial in a year. Why would I subject myself to that?
 
VinceInMT said:
No, ALL TV. And, as of 15 years ago or so, ALL movies. And no streaming stuff. I do watch the occasional “How to Fix It” video on YouTube when I’m attempting to work on something, but other than that, nope. Sports? I’ve never in my life watch ANY sports: Super Bowl, World Series, Olympics, etc. Life is too short to spend time watching. I’d rather be doing. Plus, the average American watches something like 3-5 hours a day and consumes over 500 hours of commercial in a year. Why would I subject myself to that?
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There was a Far Side cartoon with Heaven and Hell. Heaven showed people playing golf; Hell showed people watching others playing golf.
 
RalphLambrecht said:
I use Photoshop daily, either for work or learning new features. The subscription model suits me just fine, and I'm happy to be always up-to-date without having to pay $$$ every other year for a major update. What bugs me more is that Apple and Adobe seem to advance just enough to force me to buy either software or a hardware updates all the time
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I love Adobe, one of my old ex-friends was Product Manager for Illustrator.

But the struggle is real for users.

I have an old laptop from work where my subscription is “Not Applicable” and I simply cannot open PDF files on it because it once had a full subscription applied to it (until I got my new laptop).

I just don’t use that old laptop much, except to access some old files.

But the “hard to cancel” model runs deep with Adobe. It just wasn’t implemented. At all.
 
On that "smart" TV problem: I own LG OLED, WEB OS, made in 2015.

My brain does not support impulse buying and FOMO, doesn't support data collecting and selling it to advertisers - dirty and behind my back.
They have this collecting/selling opted in by default, spying on by default...

Since I learned this I've disconnected WiFi, unplugged LAN cable, opted out of that cancer and stopped using any web-related thing on it, am using it as plain monitor - as it should've been from the very beginning.
 
Bill Burk said:
I love Adobe, one of my old ex-friends was Product Manager for Illustrator.

But the struggle is real for users.

I have an old laptop from work where my subscription is “Not Applicable” and I simply cannot open PDF files on it because it once had a full subscription applied to it (until I got my new laptop).

I just don’t use that old laptop much, except to access some old files.

But the “hard to cancel” model runs deep with Adobe. It just wasn’t implemented. At all.
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I always just use Ocular to view PDF file, their is a wereson for Microsoft windows if you use that.
okular.kde.org

Download

Multi-platform, fast and packed with features, Okular allows you to read PDF documents, comics and EPub books, browse images, visualize Markdown documents, and much more.
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Okular - The Universal Document Viewer

Multi-platform, fast and packed with features, Okular allows you to read PDF documents, comics and EPub books, browse images, visualize Markdown documents, and much more.
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I've also found Foxit Reader (free) to be least intrusive: it just opens the document in full screen and that's it! Foxit doesn't bother you with requests for attention/clicks/unnecessary account creation requests lile Adobe does.
Just opens the document and doesn't interrupt your work

Each account you create brings you a step closer to your data being compromised via breach/leak/stealing. One can do without all that.
 
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I suppose my needs are probably limited but I still use Adobe PhotoShop 4 and Pagemaker 6. No renewals required. But then I also drive a car that was built when Eisenhower was president.
 
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