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the subscription model has rocketed their earnings into the stratosphere, they will never abandon it. They will use the cigarette industry defensive tactics - deny, obstruct, blame, delay, etc. Unlike big tobacco, they will eventually yield to a token rule change and small fine, years down the road.

big corporate rules! (not cynical - reality)
 
This tactic is also used by big Telco companies such as VZ & ATT. When it is time to terminate the service they make it very complicated and you have to call several people where each one of them pretend like they don't communicate internally.
 
An advantage to paying a cell-phone bill with a paper check every month is that cancelling becomes easier. If you no longer want it then just don't pay for it, tell 'em what you are doing ahead of time.

I still use Photoshop 5.0 from around 2000. It still works - I keep an old XP machine around for running old sofware. PS V5.0 will still work under W7 with some jiggery pokery. I have the same attitude to AutoCAD.

My new camera is a Nikon F4. I don't use it much as it has too many bells and whistles. Sometimes I think I am growing old...
 
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Nicholas Lindan said:
An advantage to paying a cell-phone bill with a paper check every month is that cancelling becomes easier. If you no longer want it then just don't pay for it, tell 'em what you are doing ahead of time.

I still use Photoshop 5.0 from around 2000. It still works - I keep an old XP machine around for running old sofware. PS V5.0 will still work under W7 with some jiggery pokery. I have the same attitude to AutoCAD.

My new camera is a Nikon F4. I don't use it much as it has too many bells and whistles. Sometimes I think I am growing old...
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Could not agree more. When you have learned to use Photoshop, you don't want continual updates. It just complicates the application and takes you backwards. If you carve wood for most of your life, you get very good at carving wood and you become a cabinet maker like Thomas Chippendale for example. If people are continually throwing new tools and different types of wood at you, you never progress.
 
wait....people gave a credit card number and agreed to the terms of service without reading the 87 pages of fine print?
 
BradS said:
wait....people gave a credit card number and agreed to the terms of service without reading the 87 pages of fine print?
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Those who started to read all the mouse type eventually fell asleep somewhere in the middle, thereby agreeing to the terms by default.
 
cliveh said:
Could not agree more. When you have learned to use Photoshop, you don't want continual updates. It just complicates the application and takes you backwards. If you carve wood for most of your life, you get very good at carving wood and you become a cabinet maker like Thomas Chippendale for example. If people are continually throwing new tools and different types of wood at you, you never progress.
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Ditto! I bought the CS6 package disk set just before discontinued. For my applications this is more than enough. In view of the fact that I use these programs sporadically, a subscription would be overpaying for unused downtime.
 
I thought I would use PS and LR more than I did, as it turns out I kept returning to my old version of Corel Paint and Aftershot as I know it's in and out, and like others I tend to just adjust, seldom do I use any of creative features.
 
MFstooges said:
This tactic is also used by big Telco companies such as VZ & ATT. When it is time to terminate the service they make it very complicated and you have to call several people where each one of them pretend like they don't communicate internally.
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Sirius satellite radio is like that. The key is to repeatably tell them you want to cancel and they keep lowering their fees to keep you.
 
Another big issue being on-line CC with them, is Adobe's new terms of service apparently allows them to use your photos and data to teach their computers and program machine learning (AI). Either you agree or they cancel their service and lose access to your data. There's no way to opt out.
 
guangong said:
Ditto! I bought the CS6 package disk set just before discontinued. For my applications this is more than enough. In view of the fact that I use these programs sporadically, a subscription would be overpaying for unused downtime.
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I would have liked to have obtained something like a CS6 package disc set, but now not available.
 
I used the CS6 master collection from 2013 when I bought it up until 2021 when Adobe refused to help me de-authorize one machine to free up the license for use on my new machine. Been a while since I felt as angry as I did that day.
 
Alan Edward Klein said:
Another big issue being on-line CC with them, is Adobe's new terms of service apparently allows them to use your photos and data to teach their computers and program machine learning (AI). Either you agree or they cancel their service and lose access to your data. There's no way to opt out.
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Don't believe everything you read on internet...

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Alan Edward Klein said:
Another big issue being on-line CC with them, is Adobe's new terms of service apparently allows them to use your photos and data to teach their computers and program machine learning (AI). Either you agree or they cancel their service and lose access to your data. There's no way to opt out.
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"Apparently." Will you quote the part of the terms that state this use of your photos?
 
Is that opt out checkbox there to begin with, or does it appear in options after you've given consent by continuing with an unskippable screen?

Because it matters.
Because that opt in-out should be a choice to make before accepting or refusing new TOS.

Otherwise you've just agreed to let the tip in just to act violated a second later - a nice play for rapists, isn't it?
 
cliveh said:
Could not agree more. When you have learned to use Photoshop, you don't want continual updates. It just complicates the application and takes you backwards. If you carve wood for most of your life, you get very good at carving wood and you become a cabinet maker like Thomas Chippendale for example. If people are continually throwing new tools and different types of wood at you, you never progress.
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I fail to understand people's dislike of the subscription model. It is perfect to always be up-to-date for little $. Before, I had to purchase again every couple of years, which was more expensive and kept me out of date most of the time.
 
Because you don't own anything via subscription, because you're at the mercy of their ever shifting business practices and human data trafficking.

When your subscription or their service inevitably ends, you have nothing to show for it, the money is gone with the wind. When you buy a software, you can use it decades later if need be and nobody but you have access to your data and say over it. Permanently.

If that's OK with you, then it's OK. But for many of us this is a no-go. And taken together with recent big corpo behavior, it's a even harder no-no.

Why should standalone software with rare update frequency be subscription, is it to the benefit of customer, this lack of control even over your own data stored on their cloud?
If so, where's my standalone/offline version of many of these services/products to choose?
 
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