No, there is no way to make perfed film at home. Someone would have to build a machine to do it. Coating quality and other factors would also tend to degrade results too much.
PE
So, basically you're saying we will not go beyond the current state of dependence, our manufacturer-dependent attitude for that type of film.
I have a feeling my future camera would be a Sony or Panasonic...
So, my ultimate question is, is there a way to make 35mm roll film (with decent coating) at home? Where do I get the materials? How do I make sprocket holes?
PE has consigned those of us who use 35mm to the dustbin of filmdom. He will lead his small, merry band of coaters as they hunker down in redoubts and preserve the ancient art.
Yes, Firecracker,
PE has consigned those of us who use 35mm to the dustbin of filmdom. He will lead his small, merry band of coaters as they hunker down in redoubts and preserve the ancient art.
As I said earlier, I have my Nikkor glass - and it is not obsolete - and I will continue to use it until they pry it from my cold, dead hands!
As I said earlier, I have my Nikkor glass - and it is not obsolete - and I will continue to use it until they pry it from my cold, dead hands!
Laugh if you will Mr. Ham, but unless you can put some emulsion behind that Nikkor glass, your cold dead hands are just that; cold and dead. No one gives a hoot about the glass used to make the photo. So unless you start engaging your brain, that prized glass is going to become just another favored paper weight.
FWIW, I'm sitting here contemplating entering a photo in the Silver contest made with PE's emulsion and hand coated on a non-traditional paper. In fact, I think you just convinced me to do it. Thanks for the idea!
Laugh if you will Mr. Ham, but unless you can put some emulsion behind that Nikkor glass, your cold dead hands are just that; cold and dead. No one gives a hoot about the glass used to make the photo. So unless you start engaging your brain, that prized glass is going to become just another favored paper weight.
FWIW, I'm sitting here contemplating entering a photo in the Silver contest made with PE's emulsion and hand coated on a non-traditional paper. In fact, I think you just convinced me to do it. Thanks for the idea!
Could not the advent of film have had this same level of impact (or at least something that comes close) on the glass plate world? It seems that many of the same arguments could be made between plates and film as are made with film and d****l, and look how long it tool glass plates to go away...
- Randy
And I also think that if 35mm film is dead then larger formats are in the same coffin. How much MF and LF film demand is there after all? Do you really think that MF and LF film demand alone is enough to keep the industry alive?
HMMM, methinks again. Would it be possible to make a plate holder that would adapt to a 35mm camera? Yes, I believe that is quite possible. There have been 120 and 70mm film backs for 35mm cameras in the past. A plate adapted to a 35mm camera body would make a negative of at least 35mm size, perhaps slightly larger. I believe this is quite feasible and could be done at an affordable cost.
No George, I don't believe that. But, with the "ancient" technology, I can make a film emulsion for 4x5 and larger film sizes in my own home and thus keep the art alive and use camera systems I already have....
George.
While I appreciate morse code, (learned it when I was about 11 and promptly forgot it), I don't appreciate how you plan to make acceptable 35mm hand coated film. I would be happy to give you free access to my lab for a full week for you to demonstrate it to me. I will, in return, show you why you are wrong.
The bottom line is that hand coated 35mm with any degree of quality, with a home darkroom is virtually impossible.
Best of luck.
PE
What you all forget is that China is getting into the game of film making now and they dont get into something if there is no future as they are all about turning profits. As I read these thread I tell you to be honest, it seems that they are designed to make every scared that film is dead to force people to buy hand coating devices.
I think this is really the wrong mentality. America is not the only place in the world that offers products. China is up and coming and with a population of 2,000,000,000 people they will make a mint selling film based products to their own countrymen not to mention to the rest of the world that wants to continue to use it. Look at the sales coming from China in the LF sector, Do some research and you will see that their NEW MIDDLE class is thriving and rapidly getting into FILM based photography not DIGITAL.
What about EFKE paper and film? As far as I know they are doing well and producing, what about the new Russian paper? FOMA Film? Ilford Film? Etc.. Instead of sitting here moaning and complaining get off your backside and buy the products and use them to makes sure you help secure the future of the craft you say you love. Talk is cheap people. Either step up to the plate or deal with the after effects.
I do not know why certain people in this thread want everyone to think film and paper is dead and that we must hurry and buy self coating devices. If you do this YOU WILL BE THE REASON for the demise of the craft as we know it.
You want photography to be around for our generation and the next then buy what is available and use it. Stop chatting and start using the materials.
It is that simple.
Sorry but I am really getting sick of this type of propaganda. I realize that with Forte gone is took a massive hit, but at the same time companies out there are still producing and new companies are appearing replacing what is being lost.
If you think APUG represent all the user of film photographer you are dead wrong. The market is bigger than most want you to believe. There are a lot more people using film that will never touch an internet forum or a computer for that matter. Not everyone is rich like the western world that can afford the digital toys and computers. Many still use film but most Americans cannot see outside their own borders.
The bottom line is ,if you do not use and buy what is on the market they you deserve to see it gone.
I think we are lazy when we argue like this. The fact of the matter is that the growth of digital photography is a direct result of the universality of PCs. Once a society crosses the threshhold and PC's become prevelant it is only a matter of course that more and more uses will become "digitized" to take advantage of that infrastructure.
In fact, to master Photoshop requires a hell of a lot of effort. Effort you and I may not want to undertake - but someone who does so is certainly not "lazy".
I actually took a course in PS last year taught by someone who works in the NYC advertising biz. She dazzled me with her ability to zoom into pics and adjust individual pixels and then zoom out and work of various areas of an image rapidly employing a vast array of tools available to her.
She was a frenzy of knowledgable activity and certainly not LAZY!
I prefer film photography over digital. But I think it is cavalierly out-of-touch to argue that an accomplished digital photographer/processor is LAZY!
It's one thing to favor our "art" over theirs - but to denegrate accomplished people because they have a different approach is unnecessary.
For crying out loud, do you really think the Chinese are just chomping on the bit to buy a film camera because that's what you did 30 years ago?
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