A/NZ PX Round #13 - Comments and Feedback

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Arrived last night. Thanks Hoffy.

Also, if anyone wants to give me harsh feedback that's fine. Obviously it would be better if constructive though.
 

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And.... Thank you Ashley, mine arrived at the Gold Coast this morning. Also, thank you all for the opportunity to appreciate your work...
 

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Arrived last night. Thanks Hoffy.

Also, if anyone wants to give me harsh feedback that's fine. Obviously it would be better if constructive though.
A little while ago when providing "constructive criticism" about some issue related to my grand-daughter's year 2 project I was corrected because, according to her, the feedback should really be "kind comment"! So, kind comment it is...!
 

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Waiting... Waiting... Waiting...
 

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I'll be 250 miles closer on Sunday, wonder if that helps?
 

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It helped! What a wonderful set of prints from everyone. Now to get on with looking at and offering comments.
 

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Let me start then, in no particular order:

1. Ruby - Andrew K. It's this sort of picture that reminds me not to forget 35mm - It's a great cat portrait - there's a real street photo-style 'look' in her eyes, and I really like how you've printed the shadows into darkness. Digital prints are not my bag, but I very much appreciate you've used a traditional approach

2. Gold Coast - Ozxplorer. I like this enlargement - the 'in your face' composition is satisfyingly busy and the whole photo is so 'Queensland' to me I think it works as a good evocative picture. I don't mind the grain, and the enlargement flattens everything in a painterly way

3. Pulpit Rock - Nige. Good ol' Mamiya 645 - such a versatile camera - look at this great landscape using the standard lens too! Masterful, and especially as I've tried to make a similar (LF) snap from a similar vantage point and failed spectacularly. Slowing the shutter down really works here - you either go fast or you go slow and the foreground swooshing meshes satisfyingly with the background sharpness. Mamiya & Acros - my current fave travel combo!

4. Head's Up! - Oxleyroad. I'm a sucker for any print that looks like a page out of a 1940's photography book. I really like too what the tones in this process combo are doing to the water, especially where that top shadow is. I even like the snippet of foliage on the right because it anchors what might have become a too carefully placed composition.

5. Mother and Daughter - Carriage. A perfect street snap, and made better from the grain of 35mm fast film. Clever clever placement of people referencing the dance poster. Hamer Hall is nice and rectilinear too. I might have printed it darker but I don't know... I think your print's better than my mental one.

6. Mt Field Cascade - jamespierce. Master work here. The fern trunks are foreboding, but plonked in such a great scatter throughout a perfectly toned forest. The water is timed just so, and looks almost scratched in the foreground. My fave sort of forest, and straight to the poolroom with this one. A straight print is a print after my own heart...

7. More like a Hurricane - hoffy. Nicely composed editorial picture with focus in exactly the right spot, and pure abstraction everywhere else. I'd love to see this as a darkroom print and BIGGER. As (you're) the master of epic car photography here, I must talk to you about my 70's British Car handprinted trump card set idea...

8. My print - It's neat with the spares to see this come back to haunt me! I don't mind the tones, but I wish there was something big in the foreground (like a big boulder) to make the composition a bit more interesting. I can get caught up in the excitement of finding a 'centre of the river' vantage point where I can plonk the camera without getting wet... (and forget about what's going on in the frame) sigh.

Anyways - really interesting stuff everyone & onwards to next time!

Marc!
 
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In the order they came out of my box after a few people have riffled through ...

Canarvon Gorge - A good reminder about middle of the day images, I like the balance, fore, mid and far. I don't mind the lack of a rock etc, I like seeing the bottom of the river. Classic Morel with the orange filter. Contrast seems spot on.

Ruby - If you're gonna have a cat shot, it better be cute like this one. The touch of softness gives it a sense of capturing some movement, or not being staged.

Pulpit Rock - Love the water, my brain wants to turn to the left a bit... maybe balance out the bigger section of surf with the rock a touch off center ? The other option would be to burn in the top corners a bit, you will be amazed how much more shape and focus it can add to an image, even quite subtly.

Great place to 'Crash' - Intentional or not it has a great vintage feel. The grain, the slight softness and the car dates the image for me. I don't mind the grain at all - the whole image speaks of another time.

Mother and Daughter - If I'm honest the first time I looked at this image I dismissed it for being a touch soft, but then I started to notice all the details of the outfits, inverted tones right down to the bricks the daughter is walking along. Street is hard. This is neat.

Head's Up - Oh the paper, the stamp ! I'm a total sucker for a good semi matt paper. Like Mark, I agree, this could be a page from an old book. A tiny fault which bothers me is the shadow at the bottom of the print which has stuck out below the easel arm. I make this mistake myself and kick myself often enough to notice it !

More like a Hurricane - My favourite from this round. Just the right amount of DOF fall off, a dramatic shape and perhaps an unconventional composition with the point of focus hard on one side of the frame. I keep coming back to this one. Negative points for not printing it in the darkroom, though fixing scratches can be either trivial or impossible.

My print - Today I'm still wondering if it's too heavy. If I print this again I'd print the whole thing a 1/4 stop lighter, but burn in the bright section above the cascades to stop that from being too distracting. Apart from cropping (it's about 2/3s of the neg) I went through heaps of tests, grades, masking and exposures trying to find just what I wanted. It's ironic to me that I ended up back at a straight grade 2 print. Sometimes we can overthink this business eh. The other thing I noticed is how warm the Ilford Classic paper is when compared to a big stack.
 

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Pulpit Rock - Nige: Overall I quite like this photo but I agree with James with wanting to look to the left more. I think it may have to do with the horizon seemingly lower as well as the waves. I'm not sure how I would change it though and once you are looking at the left I then feel drawn across to the little waterfall on the right so it may just be that the other interest points could be more out of the corners/edges. Then again I still like it and I'm not sure how I'd go about improving it. I noticed there's an odd horseshoe like mark in the waves on the left that doesn't look like usual dust marks on my prints. Not sure if it's just my copy.

Carnavon Gorge - munz6869: I like the choice of glossy paper as it adds to the look of the water. I also like how there are three "bands" (sky, water, green/cliffy) so it feels balanced. I'm not sure about wanting something big in the foreground as it would perhaps make the photo about that. Nice photo

More Like a Hurricane - hoffy: I think this looks great and I don't have a problem with it being printed from a scan. Apart from it being within the guidelines anyway, I wouldn't have gotten to see this photo if you decided against it. I agree with Marc and james about the image itself.

Mt Field Cascade - jamespierce: Again another nice one. I like how the ferns on the sides are darker drawing you into the middle part of the image. I find the bottom right corner distracting a bit as it's much darker and there's the sharpish edge of the shadow. Even then it's not that big of an effect. The rest of the image is a wonderful collection of tones.

Ruby - Andrew K: Nice cat portrait. I love the shadows and how the cat kind of appears out of them brightly lit. The dark edges bring the focus to the middle and the shadowy lighting adds interest.

Head's Up! - Oxleyroad: My first impression was that there wasn't enough contrast but the shadows in the boat look correct so it's probably just that the scene had similar tones. Probably similar questions I had about my own image. However, looking at it further though it does give the feel of a sunny day so I think it probably is best the way you've done it. I do also like the content with all with their heads down. Good photo. I love the stamp too.

A great place to "crash" - Ozxplorer: When I first looked at this one I'd had a bit of a read of the info sheet and was surprised that it was Pan F. Then I read about how much of a crop it was and everything made sense. I think it's serendipitous as it adds to the photo anyway. With the old car and tin roof it does look particularly vintage. Another nice one.

Mother and Daughter - Me: When I was printing these some looked softer than others from memory so I think I may have had issues with the enlarger moving. Disappointingly I didn't really have time to nail it down and reprint as my darkroom is a bathroom that other people need to use and it takes a bit of setting up. I also only noticed it right at the end. Sorry about that. Something to learn from though.
 

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Carnarvon Gorge, Qld

Well, I think you met the challenge you set for yourself! This is a very good example of a beautifully rendered record of the environment you were in at the time. The print, while not creatively printed is technically satisfying – “on the button” so to speak! While there is a “lot” see in the frame the arrangement of the subject elements do not in my view work well enough as a whole to grab then hold my attention.


Pulpit Rock, Cape Schanck

Very well executed! The foreground surging water contributes to a sense that Pulpit Rock is a dominant structure and totally isolated by this “dangerous” moat. Pictorially, the rock could have been rendered even more strongly had you considered “burning in” around the frame edges by say, up to ½ a stop in order to create a visual frame within which to hold attention on Pulpit Rock - the subject of the image. I think Pulpit Rock is a little over exposed and would look better lighter with more detail in the strong shadow areas. Arguably, the rock can be placed toward the right of the frame for more balance with the water spray but I like the original positioning as long as the left water spray is toned down. This then does not distract the viewer from Pulpit Rock – it is secondary but still an important element in the overall shot. Grin... bet you didn’t feel the eyebrow get away from you to fall into the water!


Heads up!

Caught! A Cartier-Bresson moment! An Interesting choice of film though... Eastman Double X 5222 is normally used in the cinema industry and also used for copying onto high contrast film for cinema projection. It is known to be an inherently low contrast film with a tendency for a lack of detail in the highlights if not exposed and developed carefully. In this instance, I don’t think the full capability of the film/print combination has been achieved. In so saying, the image concept is a winner but the resultant print is under printed, soft and lacks contrast (tonal separation) to make it a stand-out!


Mt. Field Cascade

Now this IS a stand-out print! Magical! Superbly crafted & rendered with the light in all the right places! Notwithstanding the long exposure the fine details of ferns and foliage are still acceptably sharp. Shadows with detail in all the right places too... Truly a fine combination of visualisation and technique!


Mother and Daughter

A terrific opportunity seen and taken! Well framed – all the elements are in the right place, good balance and flow... creates this wonderful social commentary. The girls are out shopping together, the youngster in training maybe following in Mum’s footsteps. A real plus is not an iPhone in sight! From my perspective it is also an opportunity lost. Poor technique has let you down. Street photography is about confidence & preparation - being ready to seize the fleeting opportunity to get “the shot”! The image is not sharp - not as sharp as I know the Pentax is capable of producing. Maybe it is out of focus or camera shake? (More than likely it is the former). Even using HP5+ the stated exposure combination is not ideal for using zone focussing with sufficient depth of field – f11@60th may have been a better choice as long as you can hand hold at that speed. Another consideration: try a wider lens the 35mm for even more DOF? The print is underexposed lacking contrast – sparkle. A contributing reason may be the fact your negative is not quite right - under exposed and/or under developed plus shooting in soft open shade? I’m not sure of your experience – so, dare I suggest you find a local mentor to advise you on the quality of your negatives? Lastly, looking at the print I feel light may be falling off toward the edge of the print as the edge densities appear lighter than the rest of the print. This is a consideration as long as you know to deal with it in the printing process. Do an edge burn of about ¼ to ½ a stop extra exposure... Grin... all this said, I enjoyed the story being told!


More like a Hurricane & Ruby

Both visually very pleasing and impactful images... produced using part dddd... digi... digittt... DIGITAL work flow! There, I got it out! No darkroom magic here!


My participation on the APUG site is to further my interest in photography. Thus, I am somewhat bemused that the “rules” of this group encourage the “hybrid” process when the DPUG exists for specifically those users producing hybrid computer generated digital images. Accordingly, I believe our rule undermines the stated intention and objective of APUG itself. Interestingly, APUG does not even allow any “hybrid” image posts to any of the APUG galleries! I know this issue was considered when the group was formed in 2010 but wonder if, with up to 25% of the group now contributing “hybrid” prints, it is something that needs to be revisited?


Gold Coast – A great place to “crash”

Now, to my image... For me the story is the fact of a car resting lazily on the veranda of a house – not an everyday scene! As soon as I saw the developed negatives I knew I had “fluffed” it! Simply I was too far away without elements to lead the eye into the picture and create a more 3-dimensional feel – a sense of scale. So, to get the story across, it was necessary to print a small portion of the negative. Fortunately I had used Ilford Pan F – though not necessarily developed for fine grain. The final print is OK - a bit gritty and missing some darkroom creative. As it turned out the process seems to have matched the scene. Nevertheless, it hopefully tells a story?


Lastly, thank you all for the joy I have experience looking at you art and your willingness for me to have an opportunity to provide some commentary plus insight... See you all next round!
 

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Comments so far appreciated. Have spent the weekend going through all of my paper checking for fogging/heat stress after the move and ouch. Heat stress not such a problem, but the container x-rays have realy taken their toll on the paper. Thank godness most of it was in the middle of the container where the film was and it has survived.
 

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I'm in for another.
 

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Hi Folks,

Just thought I would drop in. I think we will start a new thread for the next round at the Beginning of May.

Keep you ears tuned for then!

Cheers
Count me in too... But it would be nice to have everybody's impressions noted regarding the images received in the round just ended by the time a new round starts. It was the Salvos who trademarked their tag line "sharing is caring" in 1950. I think the saying is as applicable today as it was then... especially when individuals forming a group intend to work with and for each other to the betterment of, in this case, their photography
 

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Comments so far appreciated. Have spent the weekend going through all of my paper checking for fogging/heat stress after the move and ouch. Heat stress not such a problem, but the container x-rays have realy taken their toll on the paper. Thank godness most of it was in the middle of the container where the film was and it has survived.
Just wondering if you might find it helpful to try a 2% Benzotriazole solution with your developer to clear any fogging that might have occurred? Usually about 25ml/litre is a good starting point. If you choose to try it make up a concentrated solution first then dilute that again to 2% working solution. Benzotriazole does easily mix well, or easily, in water so when making up your concentrate mix the powder in Isopropyl alcohol then when dissolved add water to make up the strength of concentrate required. Keeps for ages too... Hope this helps.
 
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