Neil Grant
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Is it possible to get field camera for this range of lenses, or is this only possible with a mono rail? Thanks
Is it possible to get field camera for this range of lenses, or is this only possible with a mono rail? Thanks
So you can't attach the rear element onto the DX by removing the back and screwing it into the shutter?Your lens range works fine with a Wista SW 5x4 field camera ~ the 72mm wide angle unscrews the rear element into the Wista and the bellows detaches to fit it in (unlike the DX model which has fixed bellows and can't accommodate such wide XL lenses.
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A triple extension type Chamonix, Phillips, Shen Hao all work at the longer end and have various degrees of field camera instability compared to the more robust shorter double extension field cameras.
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So you can't attach the rear element onto the DX by removing the back and screwing it into the shutter?
Fortunately, I don't have that problem with any of my lenses -- but not by much -- but I could get physically wider lenses onto my camera by using this approach.
Why?Hi,
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With the Wista DX, some people do try to do this and end up deforming the bellows trying the flange locking from such an extreme remove. Wista made the SW with removable bellows for this reason.
Great to hear your lens range matches - the wider lenses are always a challenge to zero on the standards precisely on field cameras too. Smaller 65mm lenses like the Nikkor 65/4 will fit easily; the Docter Germinar 65/4.5 is way too large. It's been a long time since I tried the 47/5.6XL on the Wista SW - it fits easily with the detaching bellows however the zero-ing is very difficult and almost blackened vignetted at the corners to notice any unintended movement.
With respect to the original post, the standard monorail design like the Sinar F series; Horseman etc - not the budget Cambo S2C referred to above, should be used as a reference for monorail design for the lens range.
Hi Bob,
Different camera design. The Wista DX has its own limitations ~it's just not as versatile as a heavier monorail as a field camera design.
With the Wista DX, some people do try to do this and end up deforming the bellows trying the flange locking from such an extreme remove
I don't see how you could possibly deform the bellows if the bellows is completely collapsed -- which is where it would be when attaching the rear element of the lens through the back of the camera.
it is not possible for your fingers to turn and lock the flange without extending the bellows here or there, and then risk deforming the bellows.
Thanks for the explanation, but it leaves me in a fog. As far as I can tell, my Tokos are very similar to the Wista DX, and I can easily attach rear elements to any shutter through the back of the camera when the back is removed and the bellows collapsed. I simply screw the rear element into the shutter which is on the front standard -- no "flange locking" involved.....whatever that is.
Are you talking about a lens that is physically too wide for the front end of the bellows? I still don't see how that would be a problem. And if a recessed lens board is being used, that just makes it even easier.
I still don't get it. As Rick (post #2 above) says, he uses the 72mm XL on a Tachihara with no problem. I use my 75mm, 65mm, and 47mm XL on my Toko with no problem.
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Are you talking about the bellows limiting the movement of super-wide-angle lenses? That's different than getting the lens on the camera -- which is what I was talking about.
But I've never had a problem with movement either -- for two reasons. With wide angle lenses the bellows is largely compressed and the rear of the lens (its widest diameter) is deep inside the bellows at its widest diameter. This is even more so when a recessed board is used, such as with my 47mm XL. More importantly, super-wide-angle lenses don't allow that much movement anyway due to their smaller image circles.
I've never seen it (the original question) as a problem -- will these lenses fit & work. Neither has Rick with his Tachihara, nor me with my Toko (bottom), but maybe I'm still missing your point.
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