35mm Motion Picture film in Still Cameras - ECN-II Processing at Cinelab, a reality

[Photo Engineer]

It is not a concern. I would guess that all projectors can handle this range. And, projected, the images are stunning!

PE

 

[Michel Hardy-Vallée]

It is not a concern. I would guess that all projectors can handle this range. And, projected, the images are stunning!

PE

I want some. Now!

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

I worked 3 years as Crossfield 656 drum scanner operator and I know how difficult to get high density originals from the art directors. They were all extreme weak slides. I scanned my EPP and Leica combinations and scanner was measuring corners just 3. If I had a 4 density film , I cant even think the results quality.
Photo Engineers last posts are really supportive.

Umut

 

[holmburgers]

B&Wpositive, I know you are planning to call them, perhaps you should ask about getting the positive prints/slides. Seems like people's mouths are watering!

 

[Photo Engineer]

If you want ECN processing, contact our own Scott Sheppard and see what "develops" ....

PE

 

[ME Super]

Hmm. I wonder if you could contact print the MP film onto Rollei Digibase color negative film and use it for projecting slides, since this film lacks the orange mask. Any ideas as to filtration and how short exposures would have to be? For that matter, has anybody contact printed any negatives onto the Rollei Digibase film and used them for projection?

ME Super

 

[Photo Engineer]

Contrasts multiply during printing, therefore ECN = 0.5 x any other negative film = 0.6 = 0.30 when we need about 1.5 for a good paper print and about 1.7 for a good slide. You would need a negative film with a contrast of about 3.0 to print properly here.

PE

 

[michaelbsc]

But if the lab prints to projection film the ECN contrast is fine? Right?

 

[Photo Engineer]

That is correct. ECP has a contrast of a bit over 3.0. But, that was not the question I answered.

PE

 

[ME Super]

So printing to Rollei Digibase would be too flat then, right? Maybe I should just stick with the stuff I know, like the E-6 films.

ME Super

 

[holmburgers]

So printing to Rollei Digibase would be too flat then, right? Maybe I should just stick with the stuff I know, like the E-6 films.

ME Super

I still think it's a good idea and at least worth trying. I forgot that digibase has no integral masking (the base isn't really orange in C41, it's a function of dyes).

 

[holmburgers]

About a year ago I sent a roll of 500T ECN-II film to Cinelab for this processing service, catering to still shooters.

The result; almost a year to the day, I am still waiting for it.

I'm not trying to hurt Cinelab's reputation or anything, but I couldn't possibly recommend that anyone send them motion-picture film in still cassettes for ECN-II processing. I'm slightly embarassed to have done so much positive PR for them, all for naught.

I have emailed them countless times over the past year to inquire about my order, always with the assurance that once their line was back up and running that I'd get my film. People have been very nice, but in the end there's just been no follow-thru.

My wish is not to smear them, but to vent a little frustration and relate my experience. I have no doubt they're a great lab for motion picture shooters, but look elswhere if you wanna put 500T or 50D through your Nikomat....

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

For me 2 weeks are more than I can accept but you waited and hoped for 1 year. Thats erroding I think they lost the roll whatever. What a shame ! Is there any other one who has been successful at his adventure for ECNII order ? By which company ?

 

[holmburgers]

Frobozz is currently waiting on Double-X; I think they'll come through. He's also sending many, many rolls, so I'm sure that helps out.

Yeah, 1 year is too long... *grrr*...

 

[Vanishing Point Ent.]

getting slides made from the negatives

You have to somehow get slides made from the negatives using ECP.

PE

Is Cinelab still doing this ?

 

[Photo Engineer]

IDK.

PE

 

[holmburgers]

Have you guys seen this website? Dead Link Removed

Cross posted (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[BobD]

35mm Ektachrome 100D motion picture film (said to be equivavlent to E100VS) is still in Kodak's current catalog and can be ordered direct from Kodak online:
http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/Color_Reversal_Films/5285.htm

But don't tell anyone because everyone knows Kodak doesn't make Ektachrome anymore.

 

[holmburgers]

Have you guys seen this website? Dead Link Removed

Cross posted (there was a url link here which no longer exists)

That company imploded and left some high-profile wedding photographers without their negs. I'm surprised the site is still up, but I'd stay away from it if I were you. I got burned too, but only a couple of rolls.

Apparently this company's no good; just wanted to pass on the word from an(there was a url link here which no longer exists) thread.

 

[frobozz]

35mm Ektachrome 100D motion picture film (said to be equivavlent to E100VS) is still in Kodak's current catalog and can be ordered direct from Kodak online:
http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/Color_Reversal_Films/5285.htm

But don't tell anyone because everyone knows Kodak doesn't make Ektachrome anymore.

I'm going to make a bold prediction: Kodak has a bunch of this in stock but hasn't made any in a while and when it's gone it will be discontinued. On the bright(?) side, it looks like there's nearly no demand for it, so their stocks will last quite a while!

Movie film isn't "process-by" dated like still film. Kodak ships it directly from cold storage to filmmakers who order it, and it is expected to be used and processed promptly. So they can supply this out of existing stock until it runs out, no matter how long that takes...and I'm going to guess that is what they are doing. I get American Cinematographer Magazine, and I can't remember the last time I saw an article mention someone using this film. We know Kodak has stopped all other Ektachrome Production. Therefore there's no reason to think they're actually still producing this.

They already stopped offering it in 1000' rolls, only in 400' now. That's not a product that is being used in quantity by film productions...

Duncan

 

[patois]

There are several options for shooting motion picture film in a 35mm camera. If he hasn't been mentioned here before, Dead Link Removed has some great examples of it on his blog.

 

[Terry Christian]

I just bought a mega-boatload of Kodak movie film, and I've processed it (Vision 500T) according to instructions found here on APUG - namely, pre-washing with a washing soda (or baking soda) bath and agitating fiercely to remove the remjet, before C-41 processing as normal. The pre-wash water was indeed gray. Unfortunately, the film still looks as black as ever, only with barely discernible images and a slight orange hue, too dense to scan through. Am I doing something obviously incorrect?

 

[Xmas]

I just bought a mega-boatload of Kodak movie film, and I've processed it (Vision 500T) according to instructions found here on APUG - namely, pre-washing with a washing soda (or baking soda) bath and agitating fiercely to remove the remjet, before C-41 processing as normal. The pre-wash water was indeed gray. Unfortunately, the film still looks as black as ever, only with barely discernible images and a slight orange hue, too dense to scan through. Am I doing something obviously incorrect?

Yes soak for 5 mins in washing soda at 20c then hang and wipe the non emission side with new sponge wash sponge frequently rinse in three changes of water last change with surfant.

Best to scratch mix an ECN instead of c41.

 

[mweintraub]

I processed some Kodak EXR 100T the other day and I didn't see that it's that dark, can you post a photo of the negatives?

 

[Photo Engineer]

It is hard to diagnose this problem as the film is not intended for C41 processing.

PE