35mm Motion Picture film in Still Cameras - ECN-II Processing at Cinelab, a reality

[Albi Sheridan]

Hey,

I know this is an old thread but do you have any MP film sticks left? I am looking for 5222 or any other black and white stock in particular. Any size loads, I can spoil them down for bulk loading.

Thanks!!

Albi

 

[Albi Sheridan]

I've got maybe a thousand feet or more of various out of date short ends and at least one unused 400' roll of 35mm MP stock in the freezer. I have no intention of using it in a still camera. Free to whomever wants to pay the shipping. I'll look this weekend and see exactly what I have.

Hi!

Have you any black and white stocks left? 5222 or similar. I would respoll from any size short end.

Thanks !

Albi

 

[Albi Sheridan]

Yes soak for 5 mins in washing soda at 20c then hang and wipe the non emission side with new sponge wash sponge frequently rinse in three changes of water last change with surfant.

Best to scratch mix an ECN instead of c41.

I process the film in c41 chemistry, small tanks. I don't remove the Rem jet until after I have fixed and washed. I remove the film from the reels and put it in a bucket of warm water, I rub the rem jet off with my thumb or a sponge, comes right off. I've never had problems with it contaminating the emulsion during dev/bleach/fix stages. Once it's off I was the negs again and stabalize. I'm getting good results but I would love to get my hands on some Ecn-2 dev in small quantities.

 

[JBrunner]

Hi Albi, sorry, all gone.

 

[Albi Sheridan]

Hi Albi, sorry, all gone.

No worries! Thank you.

 

[frobozz]

Hey,

I know this is an old thread but do you have any MP film sticks left? I am looking for 5222 or any other black and white stock in particular. Any size loads, I can spoil them down for bulk loading.

Thanks!!

Albi

Kodak will still sell you brand new 5222 in 400 foot cans. Being in NYC you would probably get it the next day. (I only suggest this because if people keep buying it from them, maybe they will keep making it for people to buy. Hands down my favorite 35mm B&W film). You can also get 1000 foot rolls, but it's the exact same cost per foot so there's no point in making the respooling harder on yourself when you're only using 6 feet of it at a time.

In the US call 800-621-FILM (3456) and order part number 1737279 which currently runs $257.88 They last increased the price almost a year ago, so it may be prudent to get some NOW rather than waiting a few weeks, since they'll probably increase it again. I'm down to my last 600 feet or so, I should probably order a couple of more rolls myself.

Here is the current link for the motion picture products info (phone numbers, link to catalogs with prices, etc.):

http://motion.kodak.com/kodakgcg/motion/products/product_information/index.htm

Duncan

 

[Cholentpot]

Kodak will still sell you brand new 5222 in 400 foot cans. Being in NYC you would probably get it the next day. (I only suggest this because if people keep buying it from them, maybe they will keep making it for people to buy. Hands down my favorite 35mm B&W film). You can also get 1000 foot rolls, but it's the exact same cost per foot so there's no point in making the respooling harder on yourself when you're only using 6 feet of it at a time.

In the US call 800-621-FILM (3456) and order part number 1737279 which currently runs $257.88 They last increased the price almost a year ago, so it may be prudent to get some NOW rather than waiting a few weeks, since they'll probably increase it again. I'm down to my last 600 feet or so, I should probably order a couple of more rolls myself.

Here is the current link for the motion picture products info (phone numbers, link to catalogs with prices, etc.):

http://motion.kodak.com/kodakgcg/motion/products/product_information/index.htm

Duncan

Ya got 100 feet of that 5222 to spool down?

I heard it makes some great prints. What speed do you recon it is?

 

[frobozz]

Ya got 100 feet of that 5222 to spool down?

I heard it makes some great prints. What speed do you recon it is?

Yes, I break the 400 foot rolls into 100 foot rolls (using rewinds and split reels) then use a standard bulk loader, but no, I'm not selling any.

I rate it at 400 and develop it in ID-11 (D-76) 1:1 for 10 minutes. I've tried lots of different developers and times found on the web, and every single time when metering at the supposed speed of 250, the negatives came out too dense. So now I just rate it at 400 and like the results much better.

My early attempts were then scanned (bad word around here but hang on, this is important!) and I hated the results. Grainiest dreck I'd ever seen. But then I saw more than one person say "don't scan it, print it traditionally!" and when I finally got access to a darkroom I tried that and... they were right! It makes no sense, I have no idea what is going on, but it's true. I've made 20x24 prints from 5222 negs and sure you can see grain but not even remotely objectionable grain. It has an amazing tonal range, crisp whites, deep blacks, etc. Every fellow photographer I've shown the prints to has remarked how amazing they look compared to their attempts with Tri-X, HP-5, whatever, and I totally agree. This stuff is great. It is also the absolute FLATTEST film you will ever use. Makes it a lot easier to handle in the enlarger. Like, it's spooky how flat it is. You have to be a little careful to get it the right way around in the negative carrier because you can't just assume the emulsion is on the concave side of the film! Oh, and the lack of frame numbers is annoying - I mark the very edge of the rebate with a fine tip Sharpie marker to keep track of which frames I'm printing.

Duncan

 

[Cholentpot]

Yes, I break the 400 foot rolls into 100 foot rolls (using rewinds and split reels) then use a standard bulk loader, but no, I'm not selling any.

I rate it at 400 and develop it in ID-11 (D-76) 1:1 for 8 minutes. I've tried lots of different developers and times found on the web, and every single time when metering at the supposed speed of 250, the negatives came out too dense. So now I just rate it at 400 and like the results much better.

My early attempts were then scanned (bad word around here but hang on, this is important!) and I hated the results. Grainiest dreck I'd ever seen. But then I saw more than one person say "don't scan it, print it traditionally!" and when I finally got access to a darkroom I tried that and... they were right! It makes no sense, I have no idea what is going on, but it's true. I've made 20x24 prints from 5222 negs and sure you can see grain but not even remotely objectionable grain. It has an amazing tonal range, crisp whites, deep blacks, etc. Every fellow photographer I've shown the prints to has remarked how amazing they look compared to their attempts with Tri-X, HP-5, whatever, and I totally agree. This stuff is great. It is also the absolute FLATTEST film you will ever use. Makes it a lot easier to handle in the enlarger. Like, it's spooky how flat it is. You have to be a little careful to get it the right way around in the negative carrier because you can't just assume the emulsion is on the concave side of the film! Oh, and the lack of frame numbers is annoying - I mark the very edge of the rebate with a fine tip Sharpie marker to keep track of which frames I'm printing.

Duncan

Still chomping through the Vision3 I scored off of you.

I'll get around to getting a roll of the XX at some point. Not entirely sure how to break it down but I'm sure I'll figure it out...

 

[frobozz]

Still chomping through the Vision3 I scored off of you.

I'll get around to getting a roll of the XX at some point. Not entirely sure how to break it down but I'm sure I'll figure it out...

The "correct" way is with crank-handle film rewinds (like the kind projectionists use to move movies around from one reel to another, or rewind a movie from the takeup reel back onto the original reel, etc.) and split reels - reels you can unscrew the two halves and drop the core-mounted 400 foot roll onto one, and and empty 2" core on the other, and then wind 100' from the big reel onto the empty one 3 times, leaving you a 2" core with 100' on it on the original reel. Then you need little bulk film cans with black bags... just two of them, if you put one roll back into the 400' can, and one roll straight into your bulk loader.

The no-equipment-required-way is to lay the 400' reel flat on a smooth surface, maybe with a nail or something pounded in to provide an axle for the core to spin on, and pull off 5-6' at a time and hand wind it onto a reloadable 35mm cartridge spool. But it's REALLY important to control the 400' roll and keep it tightly would when transferring from its can/bag onto the flat surface. There are no sides, it's just 400' of film wound onto a plastic core. If it goes sideways off that core it is going to go "sproing" and you will have a spaghetti-like pile of film on the ground.

Lots of methods somewhere in between those two. Search the forums here at APUG, they've all been discussed at one time or another.

NOTE: 5222 base is a little bit thicker than normal still film, and 2" cores (the minimum that will fit on a split reel) are bigger than 1" cores like bulk still film comes on, so I usually end up with 4 almost-100' rolls and like 10 or 20' left over, in order to fit them in the little bulk film cans and the bulk loader, etc. You could make life easier by getting an old ALden 200 loader, which will hold 200' of film.

Duncan

 

[frobozz]

NOTE: I made a typo in the above post (now edited to correct it) - I develop 5222 for 10 minutes, not 8, in ID-11 1:1 after metering it at 400.

Duncan

 

[Cholentpot]

The "correct" way is with crank-handle film rewinds (like the kind projectionists use to move movies around from one reel to another, or rewind a movie from the takeup reel back onto the original reel, etc.) and split reels - reels you can unscrew the two halves and drop the core-mounted 400 foot roll onto one, and and empty 2" core on the other, and then wind 100' from the big reel onto the empty one 3 times, leaving you a 2" core with 100' on it on the original reel. Then you need little bulk film cans with black bags... just two of them, if you put one roll back into the 400' can, and one roll straight into your bulk loader.

The no-equipment-required-way is to lay the 400' reel flat on a smooth surface, maybe with a nail or something pounded in to provide an axle for the core to spin on, and pull off 5-6' at a time and hand wind it onto a reloadable 35mm cartridge spool. But it's REALLY important to control the 400' roll and keep it tightly would when transferring from its can/bag onto the flat surface. There are no sides, it's just 400' of film wound onto a plastic core. If it goes sideways off that core it is going to go "sproing" and you will have a spaghetti-like pile of film on the ground.

Lots of methods somewhere in between those two. Search the forums here at APUG, they've all been discussed at one time or another.

NOTE: 5222 base is a little bit thicker than normal still film, and 2" cores (the minimum that will fit on a split reel) are bigger than 1" cores like bulk still film comes on, so I usually end up with 4 almost-100' rolls and like 10 or 20' left over, in order to fit them in the little bulk film cans and the bulk loader, etc. You could make life easier by getting an old ALden 200 loader, which will hold 200' of film.

Duncan

I wonder if there is a way I can tape an end onto a core in my watson and just spin 'till full...

 

[frobozz]

I wonder if there is a way I can tape an end onto a core in my watson and just spin 'till full...

Yes, but that's going to be a little painful - the crank handle can pull film off the core, but not push it onto it... so you're going to just have to twist and twist and twist with your thumb and fingers?

Duncan

 

[Cholentpot]

Yes, but that's going to be a little painful - the crank handle can pull film off the core, but not push it onto it... so you're going to just have to twist and twist and twist with your thumb and fingers?

Duncan

Maybe attach a vice grip to the core and wind wind? Or carve a wooden dowel to fit the core...

 

[Albi Sheridan]

Kodak will still sell you brand new 5222 in 400 foot cans. Being in NYC you would probably get it the next day. (I only suggest this because if people keep buying it from them, maybe they will keep making it for people to buy. Hands down my favorite 35mm B&W film). You can also get 1000 foot rolls, but it's the exact same cost per foot so there's no point in making the respooling harder on yourself when you're only using 6 feet of it at a time.

In the US call 800-621-FILM (3456) and order part number 1737279 which currently runs $257.88 They last increased the price almost a year ago, so it may be prudent to get some NOW rather than waiting a few weeks, since they'll probably increase it again. I'm down to my last 600 feet or so, I should probably order a couple of more rolls myself.

Here is the current link for the motion picture products info (phone numbers, link to catalogs with prices, etc.):

http://motion.kodak.com/kodakgcg/motion/products/product_information/index.htm

Duncan

Thanks Duncan!

I have been using short ends from a project I shot on 5222. I think it is a good idea to buy more from Kodak. Thank you for sending the links!

Albi

 

[Albi Sheridan]

Still chomping through the Vision3 I scored off of you.

I'll get around to getting a roll of the XX at some point. Not entirely sure how to break it down but I'm sure I'll figure it out...

Cholentpot if you are interested in buying some 5222 I can split a 400' roll with you. PM me and we can arrange details if you're interested. It is, hands down, my favorite BW film stock EVER. I have been handling large film rolls for years during my career as a film loader then cinematographer and have spooled down rolls many times. If there are more people interested we can get a 1000' roll. I find it near impossible to get short ends of 5222 compared to colour film stocks, no one really shoots BW MP any more which worries me.

Albi