2013 ULF Manufacture From ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited

[wblynch]

All the better for Ilford then.

Can we get back to the Ilforf ULF special order program?

 

[Roger Cole]

But it won't be good for color. Maybe we could, though, finally get improved and more available C41 films from Fuji.

Even if true it also says nothing about not starting back up again, especially if the film distribution is sold to someone who will actually market and distribute it.

 

[Roger Cole]

All the better for Ilford then.

Can we get back to the Ilforf ULF special order program?

Yes, sorry. /diversion

 

[hdeyong]

Didn't PE say just recently that the coating machines at Kodak were happily humming away?

 

[Roger Cole]

I thought so, yes. And the last Portra I bought, last fall, had reasonably far out expiration dates.

As I said above I'm tempted to go 100% Ilford for black and white. I'd like to support those who best support us, and their materials are superb and I could be quite happy using just Ilford for black and white but that doesn't help with color.

 

[cdkrenzer]

Hi Ian,

There's no truth to that rumor. Traditional films continue to be an important part of the our product portfolio. We have worked hard to create sustainable models for the traditional portfolios, which will enable us to meet marketplace demands well into the future. If you're looking for places to purchase and/or process Kodak film, our updated our Kodak Film App for the iPhone (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/kodak-professional-film-app/id568463694?mt=8) should be available by week's end. This Friday, we're also kicking off our weekly blog featuring photographers who use our films and why they love them (Dead Link Removed).

Colleen Krenzer
PR for Kodak Film

 

[hdeyong]

I'm glad to hear that.

 

[StoneNYC]

Hi Ian,

There's no truth to that rumor. Traditional films continue to be an important part of the our product portfolio. We have worked hard to create sustainable models for the traditional portfolios, which will enable us to meet marketplace demands well into the future. If you're looking for places to purchase and/or process Kodak film, our updated our Kodak Film App for the iPhone (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/kodak-professional-film-app/id568463694?mt=8) should be available by week's end. This Friday, we're also kicking off our weekly blog featuring photographers who use our films and why they love them (Dead Link Removed).

Colleen Krenzer
PR for Kodak Film

I have to say, the Kodak app as it is, isn't very useful, it doesn't contain any info that's actually useful for photographers like reciprocity data, developer times etc. most of us don't use labs as we process in our own darkrooms. You don't list any info on discontinued films which MANY of us still have a large stock of. You have taken away all the home kits for color processing. In particular the E-6 home kit.

You don't support your customer base and don't seem to care about us the customers needs only what you want to push on us trying to force us to use overpriced labs.

All of this is only pushing us away from Kodak to other companies.

I also find it EXTREMELY rude that I've NEVER seen you post anywhere before but decide to chime in on a competitors post. Particularly the one who DOES care about the customer and interacts and listens to us.

This is a great example of why Kodak is failing... Stop being selfish, bring back home color kits and maybe we will have some common ground to build on.


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Dinesh]

I have to say, the Kodak app as it is, isn't very useful, it doesn't contain any info that's actually useful for photographers like reciprocity data, developer times etc. most of us don't use labs as we process in our own darkrooms. You don't list any info on discontinued films which MANY of us still have a large stock of. You have taken away all the home kits for color processing. In particular the E-6 home kit.

You don't support your customer base and don't seem to care about us the customers needs only what you want to push on us trying to force us to use overpriced labs.

All of this is only pushing us away from Kodak to other companies.

I also find it EXTREMELY rude that I've NEVER seen you post anywhere before but decide to chime in on a competitors post. Particularly the one who DOES care about the customer and interacts and listens to us.

This is a great example of why Kodak is failing... Stop being selfish, bring back home color kits and maybe we will have some common ground to build on.


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

Get a grip!

 

[Roger Cole]

She has posted here before, and to be fair the subject of Kodak's continuing film production did come up in this thread originally about Ilford and started by the Ilford representative.

 

[StoneNYC]

She has posted here before, and to be fair the subject of Kodak's continuing film production did come up in this thread originally about Ilford and started by the Ilford representative.

Ok my apologies for that part, still want color home kits and such.


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[viridari]

Note that she's with Kodak's third party ministry of propaganda (PR firm). This is spin control, not meaningful dialogue with someone from Kodak. They've outsource it.

 

[StoneNYC]

Note that she's with Kodak's third party ministry of propaganda (PR firm). This is spin control, not meaningful dialogue with someone from Kodak. They've outsource it.

Well that also makes me feel justified for my comment at least thanks. Spin control haha like using a drink umbrella as a parachute


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[MattKing]

Thanks for posting here Colleen - you should post more.

In particular, we would like to see information about what is happening with Kodak products. As an example, it would be great to have heard from you that the packaging for HC-110 was changing, but the product itself will remain available.

Now back to Ilford/Harman .

 

[Thomas Bertilsson]

We hope you will chime in more often, Colleen. It's so nice to hear from someone that has knowledge of the ongoings at Kodak. It is something that is sorely missed among Kodak film lovers, and the lack of communication creates a bit of a negative attitude towards them.
There are lots of us that love the products, and are passionate about it.

Hi Ian,

There's no truth to that rumor. Traditional films continue to be an important part of the our product portfolio. We have worked hard to create sustainable models for the traditional portfolios, which will enable us to meet marketplace demands well into the future. If you're looking for places to purchase and/or process Kodak film, our updated our Kodak Film App for the iPhone (https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/kodak-professional-film-app/id568463694?mt=8) should be available by week's end. This Friday, we're also kicking off our weekly blog featuring photographers who use our films and why they love them (Dead Link Removed).

Colleen Krenzer
PR for Kodak Film

 

[MattKing]

And by the way Colleen, I for one appreciate how important it is for Kodak and others to relate well with the public.

Excellent public relations is important.

 

[Simon R Galley]

Hi Everyone,

Back from trade shows and other things, so getting around to some replies :

Firstly, we have had a few comments such as please cut film x from 120 and cut into 5 x 4 size :

We will never, ever do this : each ILFORD film and base is designed for the purpose and its coated on different bases for technical and performance reasons, we will never compromise QC, that can never
happen, we are a ISO 9001 company for a very good reason, customer satisfaction depends on product performance. We have the same product guarantee's in place for ULF film as for our 'normal' products.

ORTHO + Not coated on miniature ( 35mm base ) or 120 base : Cannot be offered, not volume viable.

PAN F + sheet film, not currently coated : A known and quantified demand has been estimated against a development R & D project model cost and it is 'currently' not viable to coat. It is reviewed annually.

DELTA 3200 sheet film : As above.

70mm FP4+ / HP5+ Already in the ULF Run

70mm Perforated film, not in the plan, not viable ( due to excessive waste )

3 and 5 / 8ths film, It 'could' be possible, I think we would need something like 80 orders of 30m bulk lengths, just to cover the time to set and re-set the slitters it would need to be in a 'generic' box, not tubbed. I will have it checked out. It could only be one film HP5+ is my guess?

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[StoneNYC]

Hi Everyone,

Back from trade shows and other things, so getting around to some replies :

Firstly, we have had a few comments such as please cut film x from 120 and cut into 5 x 4 size :

We will never, ever do this : each ILFORD film and base is designed for the purpose and its coated on different bases for technical and performance reasons, we will never compromise QC, that can never
happen, we are a ISO 9001 company for a very good reason, customer satisfaction depends on product performance. We have the same product guarantee's in place for ULF film as for our 'normal' products.

ORTHO + Not coated on miniature ( 35mm base ) or 120 base : Cannot be offered, not volume viable.

PAN F + sheet film, not currently coated : A known and quantified demand has been estimated against a development R & D project model cost and it is 'currently' not viable to coat. It is reviewed annually.

DELTA 3200 sheet film : As above.

70mm FP4+ / HP5+ Already in the ULF Run

70mm Perforated film, not in the plan, not viable ( due to excessive waste )

3 and 5 / 8ths film, It 'could' be possible, I think we would need something like 80 orders of 30m bulk lengths, just to cover the time to set and re-set the slitters it would need to be in a 'generic' box, not tubbed. I will have it checked out. It could only be one film HP5+ is my guess?

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Simon thanks!

You make a fair point so I'll shush about PanF+ and QC thanks for answering.

So 70mm but not perf? You referenced waste, isn't the only waste the punched emulsion "chads" ? Isn't the film production part the same between perf and non-perf?

Thanks for any clarification on that.

And thanks for being an awesome company!


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[alarickc]

Hi Everyone,

Back from trade shows and other things, so getting around to some replies :

Firstly, we have had a few comments such as please cut film x from 120 and cut into 5 x 4 size :

We will never, ever do this : each ILFORD film and base is designed for the purpose and its coated on different bases for technical and performance reasons, we will never compromise QC, that can never
happen, we are a ISO 9001 company for a very good reason, customer satisfaction depends on product performance. We have the same product guarantee's in place for ULF film as for our 'normal' products.

ORTHO + Not coated on miniature ( 35mm base ) or 120 base : Cannot be offered, not volume viable.

PAN F + sheet film, not currently coated : A known and quantified demand has been estimated against a development R & D project model cost and it is 'currently' not viable to coat. It is reviewed annually.

DELTA 3200 sheet film : As above.

70mm FP4+ / HP5+ Already in the ULF Run

70mm Perforated film, not in the plan, not viable ( due to excessive waste )

3 and 5 / 8ths film, It 'could' be possible, I think we would need something like 80 orders of 30m bulk lengths, just to cover the time to set and re-set the slitters it would need to be in a 'generic' box, not tubbed. I will have it checked out. It could only be one film HP5+ is my guess?

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

On the PanF it sounds like from what your saying is that the demand is high enough that you wouldn't lose money on the film itself, but the sales would not make up for R&D in an exceptible time frame. If that's the case maybe this would be the perfect item to try out a crowd funding scheme on? Have the people who want it or just want to support you cover the R&D cost. You could offer "Keep calm and shoot Ilford" t-shirts or something as a backer reward.(Just spitballing here.)

If you do decide to go with something like this, how much would it cost to figure out how to coat PanF on an appropriate sheet base? And if you decide not to do something like this, could we know the reasoning behind it? Please understand I'm not asking for an explanation because I'm angry or feel some wierd entitlement to having PanF in sheets, I'm really just curious. I've always found buisness decisions of this sort interesting. So hey, If no new film, why not make it a learning opportunity!

 

[StoneNYC]

On the PanF it sounds like from what your saying is that the demand is high enough that you wouldn't lose money on the film itself, but the sales would not make up for R&D in an exceptible time frame. If that's the case maybe this would be the perfect item to try out a crowd funding scheme on? Have the people who want it or just want to support you cover the R&D cost. You could offer "Keep calm and shoot Ilford" t-shirts or something as a backer reward.(Just spitballing here.)

If you do decide to go with something like this, how much would it cost to figure out how to coat PanF on an appropriate sheet base? And if you decide not to do something like this, could we know the reasoning behind it? Please understand I'm not asking for an explanation because I'm angry or feel some wierd entitlement to having PanF in sheets, I'm really just curious. I've always found buisness decisions of this sort interesting. So hey, If no new film, why not make it a learning opportunity!

Can Simon give us a bottom line? How many sheets SOLD would it take?


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[ctsundevil]

I'm willing to buy 2 30m rolls of of the 3 5/8" film and a couple rolls of the 70mm film as well. HP5+ or FP4+, either one is fine with me as long as it is on the 120 base. The sheet base film is a bit hard to roll up.
If I can afford more when the order window is open, I will order more.

 

[anikin]

3 and 5 / 8ths film, It 'could' be possible, I think we would need something like 80 orders of 30m bulk lengths, just to cover the time to set and re-set the slitters it would need to be in a 'generic' box, not tubbed. I will have it checked out. It could only be one film HP5+ is my guess?

That would be wonderful. I can order couple 30m rolls as well. Actually I think slower film would be preferable because it will be used in older cameras that were made when faster film did not exist. Many of them don't have faster shutter speeds needed for daylight shooting. However, I am personally not picky, I can always stick ND filter on, so HP5+ would still be great for that.

 

[Roger Cole]

I often think the best thing for older cameras would be XP2. It's practically impossible to overexpose C41 film. Under any light where the fixed settings would produce proper exposure with anything from EI 800 down to at least 50 and probably 25 it would produce a good print from the negative.

As long as we're putting in requests, I'd love to have XP2 Super in 4x5. I don't think we'll get it because of the difficulty these days in getting C41 sheet film commercially processed, which is bound to severely limit the demand and potential sales. But if I could get it, I'd use it, stock C41 chems for my Jobo and shoot it in 35mm, 120 and 4x5. But since I can't get it in 4x5 I don't usually bother with it in any other format either. It's a wonderful film, both for conventional printing and for things verbotten to discuss hereabouts.

 

[Curt]

My turn, as usual, and with no angry agenda, isn't freedom of speech great?

At a minimum: FP4+ in 11x14, not just in the annual run but in a retail store or two. I'll be dead by the time Freestyle decides to bring in a new 25 ISO in 11x14. That's their business though, mine is desire.

Next: Pan F in 5x7, 8x10, 11x14. Available in a retail store or special order.

I realize that ALL of these are impossible but why 11x14 in FP4+ isn't available in a retail store here in the states is beyond me. Also, people can be short dated. Older folks see a year differently than younger folks. I can imagine a board room full of suits saying old people dont need big film, those formats are too heavy. I can also imagine a time in the near future where an annual run is 2X the cost and 1/2 the quantity.

Your mileage may, (will), vary! Each person has their own point of view, needs, wants, desires, and aspirations.

What ever your fortune, good luck.

 

[Sal Santamaura]

...why 11x14 in FP4+ isn't available in a retail store here in the states is beyond me...

Very simple. Retailers know from experience that it won't sell before expiring. So they don't stock it. There are some sizes/emulsions offered in the annual special order program that certain resellers know will move later in the year, so they order extra boxes as store stock. FP4 Plus in 11x14 isn't one of them.

...I can also imagine a time in the near future where an annual run is 2X the cost and 1/2 the quantity...

Why do you imagine that? I have seen more items offered each year and price increases have generally tracked those for stock Ilford products.