2002 Aerochrome, NOT cold stored. Worth it? (Yes, if you pull 3 stops)

[loccdor]

Nice ones.

 

[MCB18]

So, apparently this film does work in E-6? Because my friend just processed some normally in E-6, and it looks fantastic. I know he’s here, if he wants to post, I’m sure he will. I have been told that it’s probably due to the fact that the center of the roll was preserved better.

So I guess if you have some of this stuff, it might or might not work in E6. You will have to do your own testing because I didn’t keep track of what sheets were near the center of the roll, I didn’t think it was important at the time.

 

[Aidan Sciortino]

So, apparently this film does work in E-6? Because my friend just processed some normally in E-6, and it looks fantastic. I know he’s here, if he wants to post, I’m sure he will. I have been told that it’s probably due to the fact that the center of the roll was preserved better.

I’m the friend in question; there’s definitely a stop of base fog here, but for anyone interested;

Top two sheets are color checkers on film that I estimate has 1/2 stop base fog (in other words, a half stop pull eliminates the fog). Left is Normal dev, right is pulled a stop.

The aerochrome was exposed left to right, EI 200, 100, 80, 64, 50. Lens was a Fujinon 125, and I used an B+W Orange 040 (per their documentation equivalent to a wratten 16).

Film received normal, 6-bath E6 development at 38 C, in the same JOBO Expert Drum as the other two sheets its next to. 6:15s FD, with two 1 minute pre washes to get the tank to temperature.

I doubt it super matters, but I used the JOBO brand E6 kit bought from Cinestill.

My next (and final) test will be the same exposure sequence pulled a stop, and then I’ll decide how I want to work with the remainder of the sheets I bought.

 

[AnselMortensen]

I shot my remaining 6 sheets yesterday...will be processed in C-41.

 

[wiltw]

So, apparently this film does work in E-6? Because my friend just processed some normally in E-6, and it looks fantastic. I know he’s here, if he wants to post, I’m sure he will. I have been told that it’s probably due to the fact that the center of the roll was preserved better.

So I guess if you have some of this stuff, it might or might not work in E6. You will have to do your own testing because I didn’t keep track of what sheets were near the center of the roll, I didn’t think it was important at the time.

Film expiring in 2002 is clearly E-6 emulsion...E-4 ended back around 1976! As one web site states,'

"While earlier processes E-1 to E-4 were quite similar and with some adjustments could be processed in E-4 chemistry, the modern E-6 process is radically different: it uses different colour couplers, requires different chemistry and runs at a much higher temperature. Any attempts at cross-processing E-4 film in standard E-6 process are guaranteed to fail as the earlier Ektachrome emulsions are very soft and will melt at 38 °C, the standard temperature for E-6. Even if you develop at lower temperature the results would probably be disappointing."​

 

[MCB18]

Film expiring in 2002 is clearly E-6 emulsion...E-4 ended back around 1976! As one web site states,'

"While earlier processes E-1 to E-4 were quite similar and with some adjustments could be processed in E-4 chemistry, the modern E-6 process is radically different: it uses different colour couplers, requires different chemistry and runs at a much higher temperature. Any attempts at cross-processing E-4 film in standard E-6 process are guaranteed to fail as the earlier Ektachrome emulsions are very soft and will melt at 38 °C, the standard temperature for E-6. Even if you develop at lower temperature the results would probably be disappointing."​

It being E4 was not the concern, 1443 was never E4. The reason that I’m surprised that it works in E6 is because where I was doing all of my testing at the beginning of the roll, it was very fogged. I would tell you that someone else that bought some from me tried it in E6 and got something very blue. So, seeing it processed in normal E6 and turn out to look really good was surprising.

 

[MattKing]

2002 Aerochrome was probably designed for a special, aerial photography optimized process that was similar to E6.

 

[MCB18]

2002 Aerochrome was probably designed for a special, aerial photography optimized process that was similar to E6.

All of Kodak’s later aerial color reversal films are for AR-5, which as far as I can tell, is just E6 but at a slightly higher temperature (to allow for faster processing).

 

[MattKing]

All of Kodak’s later aerial color reversal films are for AR-5, which as far as I can tell, is just E6 but at a slightly higher temperature (to allow for faster processing).

The higher temperature may be designed to increase contrast - something that aerial photos often benefit from.

 

[MCB18]

I would just like to let everyone know that my initial results and all of my testing were done using the assumption that my dark bag is IR opaque. It is not though! I just found out that it fried a couple of rolls of HIE.

So please do your own testing to determine the correct exposure and processing with this film. And for the love of God, don’t use a dark bag!