Does anyone know fi Kodak will adjust some packaging now that Alaris is out of the picture? A few things look pretty similar and I could see a "disinterested" sales person grabbing the wrong box.
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In what way? That Alaris branded film looks too similar to Eastman Kodak or do you mean that there is not enough design differentiation within Eastman Kodak film boxes (e.g. people getting Kodacolor instead of Ektacolor, etc...)? If later, I really doubt that EK will go through another round of redesign in near future...
I didn't realize those were from last year. I also am not sure why I didn't simply look at the Kodak website. To me, they've created their own problem. A lot of those boxes are really similar.
So yes @brbo the packaging design leaves a bit to be desired. The lot of it is all nice and cohesive and maybe I'm pining for some retro-style Tri-x boxes, but yeah, a whole new round of design and re-packaging wouldn't make much sense to the bottom line.
After looking at some films in a shop last month, I misunderstood the salesman and thought that the packaging problem was from Alaris.
I fully accept that a few minutes looking at the website and familiarizing oneself with the new product design should clear up any problems, and maybe the goal was to differentiate between the Kodak-Alaris stuff and the non-Alaris stuff?
So yes @brbo the packaging design leaves a bit to be desired. The lot of it is all nice and cohesive and maybe I'm pining for some retro-style Tri-x boxes, but yeah, a whole new round of design and re-packaging wouldn't make much sense to the bottom line.
After looking at some films in a shop last month, I misunderstood the salesman and thought that the packaging problem was from Alaris.
I fully accept that a few minutes looking at the website and familiarizing oneself with the new product design should clear up any problems, and maybe the goal was to differentiate between the Kodak-Alaris stuff and the non-Alaris stuff?
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I am not convinced that Kodak Alaris is out of the film business.
Particularly outside the USA.
Particularly outside the USA.
Exactly, makes zero sense to cut off a good customer. Unless, Kodak cuts out all the re-spooling folks like Cinestill etc.
I'm sure EK would like to be back on top of the world but that costs a lot of money. It's all unclear, seems like everything is a surprise.
Is Kodak phasing out Vision 3 films? What is Cinestill going to sell?? I'm going to be watching to see how this goes. Hopefully everything goes smoothly.
nope
Foma is the only company I know that still produces native 8mm films in b/w (cine 100 negative and 100 R reversal), but there are others that re-configure other film stocks.
Wittner cinetec and FPP for example sell some Orwo and Kodak stocks in 8mm.
As Eastman Kodak distribution gets more established, I could see them eventually ending the relationship with Kodak Alaris, whenever contracts allow. There is no point in having the Kodak Alaris intermediary if Eastman Kodak can eventually handle all of the distribution.
I don't think CineStill Film is a re-spooler. I think they are big enough now that their films are made in unique coating runs for them. According to CineStill, "CineStill films are contract coated in Rochester NY, USA, where we also convert the films, and are also packaged by various partners in Europe."
Harman stated that the new capacity in the UK is capable of producing finished film for others. Cinestill and others are expanding the market for film to the younger crowd. This is a very good thing. Very interesting times!
EK needs to absorb willing Alaris folks who know the customers.
I don't know what's going on that for certain
Harman stated that the new capacity in the UK is capable of producing finished film for others. Cinestill and others are expanding the market for film to the younger crowd. This is a very good thing. Very interesting times!
EK needs to absorb willing Alaris folks who know the customers.
I don't know what's going on that for certain
Ilford said that the new finishing capacity means they could theoretically satisfy the entire global demand for (still) film. It's great news.
As for absorbing Alaris employees, they've done that with at least one publicly visible person: Tim Ryugo.
Harman stated that the new capacity in the UK is capable of producing finished film for others. Cinestill and others are expanding the market for film to the younger crowd. This is a very good thing. Very interesting times!
EK needs to absorb willing Alaris folks who know the customers.
I don't know what's going on that for certain
And this is in addition to the investment and expansion that Kodak has made in recent years. It seems there is plenty of capacity to keep film going as long as people are interested.
Now, we just need Fuji to give us (regular supply of) film again. At least Velvia and Provia.
Honestly at this point it feels like there's gotta be one Fuji executive who's a film junkie and has the pull to get something coated once a year. I'm just counting down the days until they formally discontinue film coating entirely.
Yeah, it's frustrating. I can't remember the exact words, but I remember someone high up at Fuji saying they will never abandon film. But it certainly seems like they are doing the bare minimum to honor that promise. At least they are still providing silver gelatin color paper, since they are the last source for that.
I mean, the pendant in me says that technically as long as they're making instax they haven't abandoned film. I suspect that's how it'll eventually end up
My Fujifilm money is for the occasional Instax splurge. This is what Fujifilm has become. And that's OK, I'm not going to pay the crazy money.
Agreed!
Foma make regular 8mm in four flavours, factory perfed and spooled.
Fomapan R 100 reversal
Fomapan Cine 100 neg
Fomapan Cine 400 neg
Fomapan Ortho Cine 400 neg
Also look at Film Photography Project who seem to get Kodak motion picture films perfed and spooled for reg 8mm though they're quite expensive if you want to go the Ektachrome route....the film is still out there. I've been shooting at gigs on Fomapan Cine 100 neg and bands have occasionally picked up on my footage and used it in their socials.
*If* you can get hold of the Foma stuff it's pretty cheap. I process and scan it myself so it's quite viable...around £20 a roll for me.
As far as I can tell here in the UK and in the EU we still have Color Plus, Ultramax etc as per the Alaris deal. The newer boxes/names are only available in small numbers at increased cost. Last year a couple of major retailers here were saying "wait for the confirmation" of the newer names/boxes appearing.
WHich ones fit the old cameras? I believe my camera holds a 50 foot reel? 2x25 foot?
@Alan Edward Klein your link takes me to an overview on Yahoo Search that shows various eBay listings of 8mm cameras and then a long list of photos of various 8mm cameras.
Maybe you could give a brand + model number of your camera; that would be more specific.
Maybe you could give a brand + model number of your camera; that would be more specific.
Revere Model 44. Here's a picture from the manual showing 8mm cassette. You run the first 25' then reverse the cassette from the second 25'.
manual: lick on link at bottom for pdf.
Revere 8 model 40 and 44 instruction manual, PDF user manual
Revere 8 model 40 and 44 user manual
www.butkus.org
picture from pg 5:
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So this one I can actually offer some guidance with. This format is commonly referred to as "Magazine 8". Fomapan and film photography project both offer the correct double perforated filmstock, but the magazines can be tricky. Sometimes FPP has loaded magazines in stock but it seems pretty infrequent.
I've bought half a dozen magazines of Kodachrome that expired in the 60s on ebay to use for the magazines. My plan is to reload them with foma r100
It looks like your camera doesn't take the normal regular 8mm spools but it's probably possible to hand load those magazines with modern film.
I shot a Pagan goth wedding a few months ago on B&W Fomapan Cine 100 8mm film. Really came out well with all the clothing/costumes people were wearing. Otherwise the relatively high speed makes it good for indoor use. I shot a slightly more conventional wedding reception last month at 12fps inside a Victorian library. I haven't tried the Fomapan Cine 400 yet, probably next month at a couple of gigs.
8mm film is still a lot of fun. Though I admit I can shoot as much as I do because I mostly stick to B&W neg, process and scan myself.
now...back to Kodak. Looking at some of the more popular UK suppliers it does seem that it's still the old (Alaris) names for the film types and the old boxes....apart from a few "limited offers" for the Kodak-distributed stuff.
I shot a Pagan goth wedding a few months ago on B&W Fomapan Cine 100 8mm film. Really came out well with all the clothing/costumes people were wearing. Otherwise the relatively high speed makes it good for indoor use. I shot a slightly more conventional wedding reception last month at 12fps inside a Victorian library. I haven't tried the Fomapan Cine 400 yet, probably next month at a couple of gigs.
8mm film is still a lot of fun. Though I admit I can shoot as much as I do because I mostly stick to B&W neg, process and scan myself.
now...back to Kodak. Looking at some of the more popular UK suppliers it does seem that it's still the old (Alaris) names for the film types and the old boxes....apart from a few "limited offers" for the Kodak-distributed stuff.
“Theoretically”, if they cost everyone else’s emulsions! I’m faithful to one person but not one film producer (or camera company).
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