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In the early nineties, I loaned a gorgeous, three-lens turreted, 16mm Bolex to my brother. I hadn't made any use of it yet and he had studied film and communications at UMASS and was interested in it. It was pristine. At the time, he was sharing an apartment with one of the members of Buffalo Tom and another friend, a graphic artist that at the time was working out of the home and building a big body of work that in part had been on behalf of the Northeast music scene. At thanksgiving, we were all gathered in Chicago when word came that the apartment building had burned to the ground. I was disappointed to lose the Bolex. It was tragic that Bob lost all of his work. The three young men lost pretty much everything they all owned in the world. My brother was fortunate to have a suitcase full of clothes survive the fire. The only really important thing is that no one that lived in that building was hurt.
 

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I lost almost everything I had in a fire long before I was serious about photography. I arrived as the firemen had just put it out. Luckily no one was home. The thing I grieved over the most was the photographs of my children when they were babies and family members long gone. Perhaps this is why I became serious about photography. I never really thought about it until I read this thread.
 
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NOTE TO SELF:

Never post a "disaster hypothetical" here to encourage people to talk about their favorite work.

Instead they will talk about their own, or others, diseases, disasters and disappointments!

Folks, the OP simply MADE UP A STORY in order to encourage you to talk about which of your work you are most proud of!

His house did not really burn down. And for those who said they'd grab their cameras - his hypothosis told you that they'd fried - ditto the negatives etc.

He was simply establishing a premise.

All of this was to get you to focus on what is your most favorite of favorite prints!

Not tell sob stories! :surprised:
 

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Oh...then you want the "what picture would you take with you to a desert island" scenario!
 

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Oh...then you want the "what picture would you take with you to a desert island" scenario!

No, I don't want it - the OP did!

Maybe it's because of my legal training that I am used to reading hypotheticals and then responding based on the parameters established therein?
 
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'All of this was to get you to focus on what is your most favorite of favorite prints!'.........

.......'Not tell sob stories!'.............This was uncalled for, you are the judge of the question you want to ask, but nobody is in charge of the answers.

Respect the feelings of some folks who are obviously having a hard time right now, and are venting their feelings/letting out frustrations, and doing it in a good way, which is a good thing, isn't this supposed to be a community?

The scenario made folks think of what is important during a crisis, it did for me, to demean it/belittle by characterizing it as a 'sob story' is better left unsaid, and if that means you think I'm 'whining', then so be it.
 

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'All of this was to get you to focus on what is your most favorite of favorite prints!'.........

.......'Not tell sob stories!'.............This was uncalled for, you are the judge of the question you want to ask, but nobody is in charge of the answers.

Respect the feelings of some folks who are obviously having a hard time right now, and are venting their feelings/letting out frustrations, and doing it in a good way, which is a good thing, isn't this supposed to be a community?

The scenario made folks think of what is important during a crisis, it did for me, to demean it/belittle by characterizing it as a 'sob story' is better left unsaid, and if that means you think I'm 'whining', then so be it.

Why is APUG being used to "vent feelings", "let out frustrations" or otherwise being turned into a virtual group therapy forum?

The OP posited a hypothetical that was related to traditional photography - you know, the "premise" of this site.

And instead of folks responding with photographic examples it turned into one of those daytime TV "confessionals".

I have every bit of sympathy and empathy for all the bad things folks here have endured. In fact, I worked at the WTC and am a 9/11 survivor. My mother-in-law has bone cancer. My father is diabetic. My wife nearly died from endocarditis. My mother needed a colonoscopy etc.

We all have problems!

But the OP simply wanted to encourage a photographic discussion! And that is what I think this community is about!
 
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'Well, we all have problems!'................I agree, yes we all have problems..........

.................Why is APUG being used to "vent feelings", "let out frustrations" or otherwise being turned into a virtual group therapy forum?.........

..................this isn't what's happening, none of the folks volunteered anything regarding all this until you brought it up, and I disagree with the way you're characterizing their responses, which involve to me, a good lesson about what's important in life and in a crisis.

Why don't you just 'let it lie'.................I thought of how well some folks are dealing with their 'problems' in reading these answers. They did answer your question, and let off a little steam while doing so, so I'll appeal to your humanity to answer you last quest.
 

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Folks, the OP simply MADE UP A STORY in order to encourage you to talk about which of your work you are most proud of!

Mr. Quality-Control Officer, I have posted my comment on this earlier by saying maybe it's better to save you work somewhere else... What I meant was, so you can reduce the risk of losing your important work, and you won't have to go through that.

It's not always too late to go back to the house afterwards and start looking for things that didn't turn into the ashes.
 

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Why is APUG being used to "vent feelings", "let out frustrations" or otherwise being turned into a virtual group therapy forum?

George, people didn't whine so much as ponder about what it means to lose everything in a fire. What can I say, we all have our stories and feel compelled to tell them. Besides, APUG is cheaper than therapy when it's not covered by health insurance. :wink:
 

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The scenario made folks think of what is important during a crisis, it did for me, to demean it/belittle by characterizing it as a 'sob story' is better left unsaid, and if that means you think I'm 'whining', then so be it.
Dear Jonathan,

I could not agree more. At the risk of getting this sent to the soap box, I thought that the original post was in extremely poor taste, posted by someone who had not spent a single moment thinking about what REALLY happens in a fire -- the terror, the aching loss, the danger, the aftermath -- but instead used it as a juvenile peg on which to hang an essentially pointless question.

George's response, about how his legal experience meant that he could understand hypotheses and that no-one wanted 'sob stories', was not just in even worse taste: it was actively offensive. Yes, I've got an LL.B. too, and we've all done moots. For non lawyers who are not familiar with the term, a moot is a sort of mock trial based on actual law and hypothetical circumstances -- hence 'moot point', a question which may be interesting, and can be argued at length, but has no immediate impact on the real world.

Of course there is a spectrum of poor taste. To trump both the OP and George, I could ask, "You're a Jew being sent to Dachau. Which picture do you take with you into the gas chamber?" I suspect that ANY sane person would find this one totally unacceptable. But it's only a hypothesis, so maybe we can consider it coolly and rationally...

I fully accept that there is a lack of immediacy and of adrenaline in "What is your favourite picture?" or "Which picture means most to you?" or even "Which picture would you like to be remembered by?" but as the general tone of responses has shown, most people did not care for the way the original question was phrased.

And as Frances said, when I read this to her, if you have so little imagination that you can consider the original question dispassionately, you probably don't have enough imagination to take a picture worth saving. That doesn't apply to snapshots, obviously, but I don't think the OP was referring to snapshots.

Cheers,

R.
 
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The most important photos I've taken so far I've given to a friend; And she'll get all the rest of them should I bite the dirt. If not her, then the pet hamster I assume she'll have by then.
 

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That doesn't apply to snapshots, obviously, but I don't think the OP was referring to snapshots.

I agree. The "best picture" I want to save in real life or in a hypothetical sense at the scene of a fire is the picture of everyone I know, you know, we know, and the whole world knows, has survived okay. I want to see a proof of that, and I'm not the only one who feels this way. And we all do our best to get that picture, don't we?

Meanwhile I went to find one of the several photos I really care about, one of my all-time favorites. See the attachment below. This is a snapshot; I shot in Coney Island way back in college. I printed so many times while learning basic B&W photography at that time, or should I say I experimented a lot with this image? Technically, it's from a really over-exposed poor-conditioned neg, a real bitch to print, but I kept the fuzziness as an effect. I still like it. It's a like a good scar with lots of memory in it.

But I feel the essence as well as the kind of technique from this image is in me and has become part of me, so I don't feel that much of a need to have to save it in an emergency situation. Like someone has already said, my memory on it lives strongly and very vividly even when all the prints and the neg of it are totally gone.
 
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Although the discussion may have detoured from the original intent, it's still quite valuable. It has made me realize that there are a lot of precautions that I could take that I haven't...a fireproof safe or box comes to mind...an alternative location for copies...etc.
 

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NOTE TO SELF:

Never post a "disaster hypothetical" here to encourage people to talk about their favorite work.

Instead they will talk about their own, or others, diseases, disasters and disappointments!

Folks, the OP simply MADE UP A STORY in order to encourage you to talk about which of your work you are most proud of!

His house did not really burn down. And for those who said they'd grab their cameras - his hypothosis told you that they'd fried - ditto the negatives etc.

He was simply establishing a premise.

All of this was to get you to focus on what is your most favorite of favorite prints!

Not tell sob stories! :surprised:

Who made you the forum master. Who said you could tell us what to reply???
I am offended that you think you can just decide what we can say. So what if his made up story made me think of my actual experience.
 

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this print (but the gum bichromate over pt/pd version I have)

7x17_FWswiftbldg6.jpg
 

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Who made you the forum master. Who said you could tell us what to reply???
I am offended that you think you can just decide what we can say. So what if his made up story made me think of my actual experience.

I'm certainly NOT the forum master. But I believe someone needed to point out that the thread had been "hijacked".

That my post immediately followed your was unintentional.

I don't think it's being a "forum master" to point out that the OP took considerable effort to compose a hypothetical situation, including closing off certain alternatives (e.g. the cameras have melted and negatives are carmelized), in order to encourage people to identify their most favorite print!

Sorry if you took offense.
 

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To answer the hypothetical question, I would not bother, I have already given my best prints to loved ones freinds and family. I am a firm beliver that tomorrow I will make my best print anyway so todays best will be tomorrows second. Thus I spend my life, dealing with the difficulties,setbacks and desasters that I will not bore you with, life puts in my path. I am old enough to of realised that if I hurt I am at least alive and there are plenty others not hurting for the wrong reason.
Regards Paul.
 

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A picture taken on a cloudy day, there are trees off in the horizon with only the thickest branches showing over rooftops, but a flat roof with water puddled into it shows the full reflection of the trees, down to every tiny branch and twig. And in the background (as the puddle is in the foreground), the houses slowly fade away.
 

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I grab Dead Link Removed, because it's where my wife's grandmother is buried. It's not my favorite photograph, but if I saved it my wife would let me buy twice as much photographic equipment in the aftermath of the blaze.
 

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All of my work is crap. I would have grabed something valuable.
 
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