"XTOL clone" for Europeans

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  1. kossi008

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    I know I'm a little late to the party, but in your original post, you lost me right here:

    Are you saying that Caffenol is *not* giving you box speed?
     
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    I fully understand support, but supporting kodak or ilford or foma or adox mean i have to buy from dealers that have insane profit margins... i can make 5 liters of fixer for a bit over 1 euro... or 5 liter of d-76 or x-tol for around 4 euro... commercial values are xxxxx times that...
     
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    I would say MOCON or Instant Mytol concentrate (in glycol) as they can be kept in the freezer. I found that it was simpler to dissolve the chemicals for MOCON than Instant Mytol.
    For chemicals: PGW.se, has a shop in Stockholm, for Glycol as its used in swedish snuff. I got a lot of the chemicals from chemical firms at eBay.de and eBay.co.uk (S3 Chemicals in germany). The more photocentric chemicals I bought from Suvatlar.

    /Johan
     
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    http://keten.com.pl/reagents-4/ That is Europe all right.
    1 kg sodium sulfite anhydrous 39.00 zl = approx 9.27 € You call that expensive?
     
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    An Xtol clone, eh? This may come into its own shortly for the Europeans, depending on where we end up with DT's trade war. Will the U.K. be exempt from such a war? It may depend on whether the current U.K. Prime Minister lets him hold her hand again when they emerge for the Press and cameras at their next meeting :D

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    As X-Tol is now marketed by a UK company, and manufactured by a German one (I think), who knows!
     
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    As you are in Melbourne, you can try Vanbar's for bulk sodium sulfite. I've bought mine there in the past and found the more I bought, the cheaper it became by unit cost. See their web site for prices.

    Now, I may have misread or misunderstood your post - do you mix all your developers once a year? If so, are you sure this is the right way to go? Why do you prefer to mix at one time and keep it for up to a year? To me this is false economy, as with the temperature variations in the Australian climate, I've found some if not all of it will go bad before I use it all, and I then have to throw it out.

    Other than this, mixing your own is definitely the way. As I've said before in this forum, you can easily whip up a batch of Thornton's two-bath or Beutler's, which along with (home brewed) Kodak D76 have long been my stand-by soups.
     
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    The formula in the patent is NOT Xtol but a SIMILAR ascorbate one. Companies seldom disclose such things and actually obfuscate things in patents. Quantities may vary from the actual product and rare chemical names be used, ...
     
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