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I’m wary of X-TOL since I heard it can die quite suddenly
I always end up pushing my film so I’m looking for a developer made for pushing, with a longer shelf life since I cut back a lot on b&w film lately. I’ve always used D76 and had some pretty good results with some pretty extreme pushes (K400 @ 25600), but wondered how it would look with a developer more suited for pushing. Right now I am using Agfa Aviotphot 200 (Rollei 400s) but use a ton of the 400 speed Ilford films. I usually have a 1-3 stop push when shooting.
X-TOL, Microphen, and Acufine are all the developers that are good from pushing in my experience, so which is the best for shelf life? I’m wary of X-TOL since I heard it can die quite suddenly
^^ This!The best developer for long shelf life is one made from scratch from the component chemicals. Fresh whenever you need it and the chemistry lasts for years (decades?).
For what it’s worth, Bergger Berspeed is a Microphen clone and it can be found in 5L bags. (The times are identical with Microphen (1+1) and I have treated it as Microphen stock solution with no issues.) Probably not that much easier to find or cheaper, but it’s an option that existsI recently mixed up the last gallon of my Acufine stock, and have used Microphen in the past, no experience pushing with Xtol , used D76 a lot in the 70s and 80s. Kodak still recommends D76 over Xtol for pushing. I think all three developers you are interested in have a life of about 6 months in stock solution. If you are willing to keep looking at Ebay you can find old stock Acufine in cans in the quart size. I think Mircrophen is only available in 1 liter size, while Xtol is only sold in 5 liter size. Foma does sell a liter size of their version of Xtol but it is expensive. If you are pushing in the 1 stop range for for cost, mix your own D76 as needed. For 2 to 3 stop push, old stock Acufine in quart sizes. It might be hard to find.
I would add to this: you can use FX-55 which is an Xtol clone of sorts (Phenidone + Ascorbate) that you can make up quickly and easily if you make up the stock solution of the alkali/sulfite (Part A, diluted 1:9 to use) and add the Ascorbate powder and Phenidone (from a stock solution of Phenidone in Glycol) and you have an ideal "on-demand" Xtol copy that you need never worry about suddenly failing.^^ This!
It's also super flexible; with half a dozen ingredients one can mix dozens of different formulas.
So part A is a stock solution and B is a recipe for working strength?
That’s true. 6 months of shelf life after making the liquid at best, but what’s more is that it goes down suddenly, an X-tol solution which works half or so-so hardly exists. In my memory Acufine has the longest shelf life
I always end up pushing my film so I’m looking for a developer made for pushing, with a longer shelf life since I cut back a lot on b&w film lately. I’ve always used D76 and had some pretty good results with some pretty extreme pushes (K400 @ 25600), but wondered how it would look with a developer more suited for pushing. Right now I am using Agfa Aviotphot 200 (Rollei 400s) but use a ton of the 400 speed Ilford films. I usually have a 1-3 stop push when shooting.
X-TOL, Microphen, and Acufine are all the developers that are good from pushing in my experience, so which is the best for shelf life? I’m wary of X-TOL since I heard it can die quite suddenly
That's not been my experience nor several others who have responded in other threads involving Xtol. My experience, based on storing the 5L in winebags is that more than a year is possible. As for "sudden death" it will of course depend on the intervals between use in that an OK stock at 12-15 months might have died if not used again for say another 6 months but that may not be sudden. It will have deteriorated gradually over the period of that 6 months
I noticed that Xtol turns a slight straw colour after a certain time which indicates it is beginning to lose its effectiveness but remains usable for a period
I suspect but do not know for certain as I have never tried it that the method of separating the 5L of stock into say 250ml full bottles and using each one completely will give an equally long life or possibly longer life as my winebag method
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Film cannot be "pushed". You cannot get more speed than what the manufacturer has put into it.
I don't get extreme pushing of film. Sounds like a perfect application for that new fangled electric photography.
Please don't tar everyone with the same brush. I am into that new fangled electric photography and the look of pushed film makes me gag.
Exactly, why fool with trying to push film 6-8 stops when low light performance using *#!ital is so easy.
When you say ADOX XT-3 has a longer shelf life than Kodak XTOL, can you tell me please, what are you basing that on?Nevertheless, I prefer ADOX XT-3 which is an Xtol version that comes in 1L or 5L and has the advantage that the powder does not spread chemical dust and has a longer shelf life too.
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