X-ray developer, how can I use it as a regular film developer.

mohmad khatab · Jun 12, 2020

X-ray developer, how can I use it as a regular film developer.

A month ago, there was a problem in the availability of an X-ray developer in Egypt, and many people asked me to find solutions to that problem, as there are still some radiology centers and medical analyzes in remote and countryside still relying on traditional hand-made X-ray because of its price. Cheap.
- I searched and found a patent for Fuji and I prepared that formula and actually sent this developer to some X-ray centers and medical analysis,
- But there is an evil person who asked me to prepare (4 liters) of that attached recipe. I also have (4 liters) of formula (G.242) for the (Gevaert) Belgian company. And the evil customer did not keep his promise and that amount is still available to me, I tried to take advantage of it by reducing the 166 and setting the pH to 8.5 as advised by the respected Austrian engineer / Rudi
- But I got inconsistent results as the pictures attached.
- How can I benefit from those huge quantities of developers, and these developers have consumed huge quantities of chemical raw materials and I must take advantage of them.

I failed to attach pictures of the results of abhorrent experiences as they are of large size and the forum refuses to allow this size to be raised and I do not know what to do?

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Jun 12, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
I failed to attach pictures of the results of abhorrent experiences as they are of large size and the forum refuses to allow this size to be raised and I do not know what to do?

If you have any image editor, it's quite easy to reduce yourself the size of your pictures.

mohmad khatab · Jun 12, 2020

Raghu Kuvempunagar said:
If you have any image editor, it's quite easy to reduce yourself the size of your pictures.

These photos were taken so that they contain a part of them exposed to direct sunlight and another part exposed to full shade so that we will know how the developer dealt with the details in the shadow.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13EJzQHr3xFPSwfFcZt1rh8IbEvc8CPoZ?usp=sharing

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Jun 12, 2020

@mohmad khatab:

Which film is this? What was the dilution?

It's going to be a pain transforming the developer you have into another developer. You can look at ID-62 or some such universal PQ developers and see if by adding you can get close to any of them.

mohmad khatab · Jun 12, 2020

Raghu Kuvempunagar said:
@mohmad khatab:

Which film is this? What was the dilution?

It's going to be a pain transforming the developer you have into another developer. You can look at ID-62 or some such universal PQ developers and see if by adding you can get close to any of them.

This Ilford PAN 100 has expired somewhat recently.
- The developer Fuji, was used. - 166 ml was diluted from the developer and water was added to one liter, and the pH was set to 8.5 - it was developed for 4 minutes at a temperature of 21.

mohmad khatab · Jun 12, 2020

Raghu Kuvempunagar said:
@mohmad khatab:

Which film is this? What was the dilution?

It's going to be a pain transforming the developer you have into another developer. You can look at ID-62 or some such universal PQ developers and see if by adding you can get close to any of them.

What do you do if you were my place

mohmad khatab · Jun 12, 2020

Any expert man here tells me about his point ,,
I have attached the formula that I prepared for you and I have four liters in my possession
,, While we now want to convert it to another format now,
Please tell me what I need to do and I will stick to your instructions.
- Four liters, perhaps we can modify each liter in a specific manner different from the other, and in a more precise sense we may be able to generate four different new formulas from those four liters, until we have a diversity of flavors.
Let me know your views ,,
This Fuji formula ,, is closer to any four recipes for varying formulas.
Perhaps Brother M. Raghu proposes that this Fuji formula is close to the Kalogen formula ,, well ,, I definitely agree with him because he is a trusted man ,, I will follow his guidance and I will convert one liter to Kalogen formula according to what he proposes of modifications and additions.
A colleague might see another formula that we should try. Well, we will convert one liter to the other suggested formula.
Please advise me, God bless you

glbeas · Jun 12, 2020

Have you tried diluting the developer so the developing times are longer? You may have something that acts a bit like rodinal in that respect. Start your experimenting at 1:10 and work your way up using it one shot until you find either good times and results or the developer starts to exhaust before the film is done.

mohmad khatab · Jun 12, 2020

Donald Qualls
Hello teacher
I hope that you will help us in this matter. You will definitely have wonderful and unconventional ideas.
Greetings to you .

mohmad khatab · Jun 12, 2020

glbeas said:
Have you tried diluting the developer so the developing times are longer? You may have something that acts a bit like rodinal in that respect. Start your experimenting at 1:10 and work your way up using it one shot until you find either good times and results or the developer starts to exhaust before the film is done.

I almost softened in a ratio of 1: 6
I did not try to increase the dilution ratio.
- Do you expect that this developer can do this without any modifications and result in good and balanced images?

glbeas · Jun 12, 2020

Hard to tell. Im not familiar with many of the ingredients. If its acting like a lith developer(going by the hydroquine present) and making the film too contrasty it might need something like phenidone or metol to balance it out unless the unfamiliar ingredients are analogous to those.

koraks · Jun 13, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
Do you expect that this developer can do this without any modifications and result in good and balanced images?

If you arrive at a development time of 4 minutes with a dilution of 1:6, then yes, I'd expect that you can dilute much further to get longer times. Try 1:15 or so and see what you get.

Fausto Saporito · Jun 13, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
Any expert man here tells me about his point ,,
I have attached the formula that I prepared for you and I have four liters in my possession
,, While we now want to convert it to another format now,
Please tell me what I need to do and I will stick to your instructions.

Hello Mohmad,
in this formula I see some components and quantities I found in some Agfa/Orwo recipes, in my Agfa and Orwo notebooks, used for Rongten process or strong alkali repro-developers, like Orwo 70 or Orwo 80 and they are quite hard contrast.
The idea from koraks is a very good one, and you can try also other dilutions adjusting a little the development time.

mohmad khatab · Jun 15, 2020

koraks said:
If you arrive at a development time of 4 minutes with a dilution of 1:6, then yes, I'd expect that you can dilute much further to get longer times. Try 1:15 or so and see what you get.

Theoretically, your point of view is quite correct.
- But I showed some of the sample images that were developed using that format.
Did you look at it?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13EJzQHr3xFPSwfFcZt1rh8IbEvc8CPoZ?usp=sharing

mohmad khatab · Jun 15, 2020

Fausto Saporito said:
Hello Mohmad,
in this formula I see some components and quantities I found in some Agfa/Orwo recipes, in my Agfa and Orwo notebooks, used for Rongten process or strong alkali repro-developers, like Orwo 70 or Orwo 80 and they are quite hard contrast.
The idea from koraks is a very good one, and you can try also other dilutions adjusting a little the development time.

I have four liters of another formula called (G.242) which is from the Belgian company Geavart ,,, you will find the formula is very close to that formula except for the slight differences.

mohmad khatab · Jun 15, 2020

glbeas said:
Hard to tell. Im not familiar with many of the ingredients. If its acting like a lith developer(going by the hydroquine present) and making the film too contrasty it might need something like phenidone or metol to balance it out unless the unfamiliar ingredients are analogous to those.

I didn't quite understand your basic idea.
Did you look at the results of this developer?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13EJzQHr3xFPSwfFcZt1rh8IbEvc8CPoZ?usp=sharing

On the other hand .
I have four liters of another formula called (G.242) which is from the Belgian company Geavart ,,, you will find the formula is very close to that formula except for the slight differences.

Fausto Saporito · Jun 15, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
Theoretically, your point of view is quite correct.
- But I showed some of the sample images that were developed using that format.
Did you look at it?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13EJzQHr3xFPSwfFcZt1rh8IbEvc8CPoZ?usp=sharing

Which dilution did you use for those photo? 1:15? How much time?

Fausto Saporito · Jun 15, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
I have four liters of another formula called (G.242) which is from the Belgian company Geavart ,,, you will find the formula is very close to that formula except for the slight differences.

According to digitaltruth site, the Agfa Gevaert 242 (https://www.digitaltruth.com/data/formula.php?FormulaID=83) is for X-Ray and Aerial films and you should use undiluted and it's a rapid one, I suppose it should develop in 1 or 2 mins.

mohmad khatab · Jun 15, 2020

Fausto Saporito said:
Which dilution did you use for those photo? 1:15? How much time?

1:6
4 min
18 C

mohmad khatab · Jun 15, 2020

Fausto Saporito said:
According to digitaltruth site, the Agfa Gevaert 242 (https://www.digitaltruth.com/data/formula.php?FormulaID=83) is for X-Ray and Aerial films and you should use undiluted and it's a rapid one, I suppose it should develop in 1 or 2 mins.

Yes ,, this developer is very fast and frightening ,, and difficult to control, it is like a lion ,, difficult to tame ,, I don’t know how we can tame it ... these developers consumed a lot of raw chemicals and it was very expensive ,,,
I have four liters of Fuji formula, and four liters of G242
I am trying to take advantage of these solutions to sell them to amateur photographers at cost.

Fausto Saporito · Jun 15, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
Yes ,, this developer is very fast and frightening ,, and difficult to control, it is like a lion ,, difficult to tame ,, I don’t know how we can tame it ... these developers consumed a lot of raw chemicals and it was very expensive ,,,
I have four liters of Fuji formula, and four liters of G242
I am trying to take advantage of these solutions to sell them to amateur photographers at cost.

I should like have it right now I am fighting with an aerial film Aviphot Pan 200 and all the developer I have generate a thin negative no matter the dilution I am using... I have to try undiluted.
About yours, try, for example, 1+19 for 8 min.
I like 1+19 because I use 500ml of working solution, and it's an easy division.

mohmad khatab · Jun 15, 2020

Fausto Saporito said:
I should like have it right now I am fighting with an aerial film Aviphot Pan 200 and all the developer I have generate a thin negative no matter the dilution I am using... I have to try undiluted.
About yours, try, for example, 1+19 for 8 min.
I like 1+19 because I use 500ml of working solution, and it's an easy division.

If you were in Egypt, I would give you what you want from these powerful developers courtesy.
The aerial film will submit to the control of this mighty developer.

koraks · Jun 16, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
Theoretically, your point of view is quite correct.
- But I showed some of the sample images that were developed using that format.
Did you look at it?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/13EJzQHr3xFPSwfFcZt1rh8IbEvc8CPoZ?usp=sharing

Yes, I looked at them and I suggested diluting to 1+15 instead of 1+6. Did you try this?

Fausto Saporito · Jun 16, 2020

mohmad khatab said:
If you were in Egypt, I would give you what you want from these powerful developers courtesy.
The aerial film will submit to the control of this mighty developer.

Thanks a lot, Mohmad! I was only one time in Cairo, but I have to go back!
Anyway, with Orwo30 I tamed my film eventually. Now it's your turn to succeed.

mohmad khatab · Jun 16, 2020

koraks said:
Yes, I looked at them and I suggested diluting to 1+15 instead of 1+6. Did you try this?

Well, I'm going to try it on a little bit and do a test and I'll tell you the results ,,
God bless you.

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