WWII from axis perspective

[jtk]

Yes, I first thought it was written as 'axes' but meant axis.

Changing it now would take a lot of work, so the world will have to deal with my mistake for perpetuity.

The correct term is "Nazi".

 

[AgX]

No, Axis and Nazis mean something completely different.

Nazis are the germam, later the great-german National-Socialists. Sometimes other collaborating parties abroad are included in this term, but the differences were strong.
The term Axis in the narrow sense designated the alliance between Germany and Italy, resp. te two countries. In the wider sense it included all other countries somehow allied with Germany, especially Japan.

 

[benjiboy]

All German tanks and A.F.V's were petrol driven, Russian tanks ran on diesel which was a huge advantage in the Russian winter because it has a much lower freezing point than gasoline, the only petrol-driven tanks the Russians had were about 4,700 Sherman M4's that were supplied by the U.S on lens lease. The Germans had to light fires under their tanks and other petrol-driven vehicles in the mornings to get them to start. The only diesel-engined Sherman tanks ever produced were made for the U.S. Navy for the marines to use in the Pacific.

All German tanks and A.F.V's were petrol driven, Russian tanks ran on diesel which was a huge advantage in the Russian winter because it has a much lower freezing point than gasoline, the only petrol-driven tanks the Russians had were about 4,700 Sherman M4's that were supplied by the U.S on lens lease. The Germans had to light fires under their tanks and other petrol-driven vehicles in the mornings to get them to start. The only diesel-engined Sherman tanks ever produced were made for the U.S. Navy for the marines to use in the Pacific.

Sorry I have lenses on the brain " lens lease" should read lend lease.

 

[John51]

afaik, diesel fuel now has anti waxing agents added.

What some drivers of diesel taxis used to do in winter was put half a gallon of petrol in the tank and then fill up with diesel.

 

[Diapositivo]

As I said, that is not true. Gasoline solidifies at about -45°C, whereas standard Diesel can become troublesome already ad 0°C. But as indicated one can tweak Diesel to near Gasoline in this property.

And one could not de freeze gasoline in aeroplanes witha a stove, due to its storage- You likely mix up gasoline with motor oil.

I don't think Rudel wrote BS in his book, he is quite reliable for what I remember. I tend to think either the temperature actually fell more than -45°C, or it is difficult to ignite at a temperature below a certain temperature, or I remember incorrectly and the fuel was not gasoline. Also, planes' engine was normally started by an auxiliary engine which is I think often a two-stroke engine fueled by an oil-gasoline mix, and maybe this made the warming up more difficult. I think they were trying to warm up the entire engine compartment (to defreeze the oil in the engine for instance, or to bring it to a decent viscosity).

 

[AgX]

Please read that book again... Fighters were started by own eletrical motor, own pressurized air, the same by feed from the outside or mechanical from the outside.

But we are deviating from the thread tropic.

 

[benjiboy]

I don't think Rudel wrote BS in his book, he is quite reliable for what I remember. I tend to think either the temperature actually fell more than -45°C, or it is difficult to ignite at a temperature below a certain temperature, or I remember incorrectly and the fuel was not gasoline. Also, planes' engine was normally started by an auxiliary engine which is I think often a two-stroke engine fueled by an oil-gasoline mix, and maybe this made the warming up more difficult. I think they were trying to warm up the entire engine compartment (to defreeze the oil in the engine for instance, or to bring it to a decent viscosity).

The winter of 1941 was the coldest in Russia for fifty years with temperatures around minus 50, which was 5 - 8 degrees below the usual average one.

 

[jtk]

No, Axis and Nazis mean something completely different.

Nazis are the germam, later the great-german National-Socialists.
Sometimes other collaborating parties abroad are included in this term, but the differences were strong.
The term Axis in the narrow sense designated the alliance between Germany and Italy, resp. te two countries. In the wider sense it included all other countries somehow allied with Germany, especially Japan.

Fwiw German troops captured Paris, not "axis" troops. And there's the matter of death camps. Certainly the French played their own role.

 

[AgX]

If you follow those quotation links, you will see that this terminologiý discussion was not about Paris at all. But about the OP's general designating of his Flikkr album photos.

 

[jtk]

If you follow those quotation links, you will see that this terminologiý discussion was not about Paris at all. But about the OP's general designating of his Flikkr album photos.

I suggest re-reading the original OT post.

 

[Diapositivo]

Please read that book again... Fighters were started by own eletrical motor, own pressurized air, the same by feed from the outside or mechanical from the outside.

But we are deviating from the thread tropic.

I did not read this detail in that book. For what I know, the engine in the Piaggio Vespa was the starting engine of Piaggio planes, so I thought that might have been a common technological solution, a small two-stroke engine (with kick-starter) to start the larger engine (maybe through some electrical motor in the middle?).
But again, an electrical motor must be fueled by some generator and that requires an engine.
The oil in the engine crank of the planes probably had to be unfrozen.

Deviating from the topic, I know.

 

[pbromaghin]

They ran on gasoline whereas most AFV's used diesel, which was much less combustible.

Not true. They burned up due to poor design and layout of ammunition storage. This was corrected as the war went on. Also, nearly all AFVs on both sides were gasoline powered. Diesel is a distinctly poor fuel for an AFV due to the black exhaust that says "Here I am! Shoot me!"

 

[Ko.Fe.]

Amazing, my Dad was in the US Navy in WWII in the Pacific Theatre. He has some very similar snaps. Hopefully these fellas made it home. If they were Airmen, not likely.

By the end of war not many of them left, hitlerugend was sent at war. And they asked Turkish to come and work after war. My seven relatives never came back, they were fighting your fellas.

 

[mshchem]

By the end of war not many of them left, hitlerugend was sent at war. And they asked Turkish to come and work after war. My seven relatives never came back, they were fighting your fellas.

Such a tragedy.

 

[benjiboy]

By the end of war not many of them left, hitlerugend was sent at war. And they asked Turkish to come and work after war. My seven relativeNormandy s never came back, they were fighting your fellas.

My father fought against the 12th SS Hitler Jungen panzer division in Normandy, he was a fluent German speaker and had interrogated some of them he said they were heavily indoctrinated nazis because national socialism had been all they had ever known in their teenage lives and that they were so young they weren't allowed a cigarette ration like other German soldiers, they got a sweet ration instead.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

My father fought against the 12th SS Hitler Jungen panzer division in Normandy, he was a fluent German speaker and had interrogated some of them he said they were heavily indoctrinated nazis because national socialism had been all they had ever known in their teenage lives and that they were so young they weren't allowed a cigarette ration like other German soldiers, they got a sweet ration instead.

Both sides were adequately brain washed and run out of soldiers. My uncle was taken under age to red army and send to guard military warehouse. One night officers were so drunk, they forgot to change guards and my uncle was severely frost beaten. He has complications for the rest of his life.
I still remember how at the end of seventies he said once - we need another war...

 

[benjiboy]

Both sides were adequately brain washed and run out of soldiers. My uncle was taken under age to red army and send to guard military warehouse. One night officers were so drunk, they forgot to change guards and my uncle was severely frost beaten. He has complications for the rest of his life.
I still remember how at the end of seventies he said once - we need another war...

The Hitler Youth were not " brain washed" in the true sense of the word, they were from early childhood indoctrinated at school and ln the Hitler Youth with national socialist ideology and racial theory.

 

[jtk]

The Hitler Youth were not " brain washed" in the true sense of the word, they were from early childhood indoctrinated at school and ln the Hitler Youth with national socialist ideology and racial theory.

Same as Klan.

 

[Ko.Fe.]

The Hitler Youth were not " brain washed" in the true sense of the word, they were from early childhood indoctrinated at school and ln the Hitler Youth with national socialist ideology and racial theory.

It is the same. Brain washed at school. I had less of it, but it was till end of 80ies and now it seems to be back. Not only in Russia. Lots of brain washing in Canadian schools, but with different doctrine.

 

[benjiboy]

Indoctrination and "brainwashing "are not the same thing
https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl...rence&ots=TfXZfPboNW&sig=yPHgG00MEnxpDSCjj5YE

 

[dutchsteammachine]

Thankfully none of my relatives fought in WWII.

But when my grandmother was young (8-13) two nazi soldiers were stationed at her home with her parents and brothers/sisters.

She says they were friendly guys. Her parents remained in contact with their family for some time via letters.

They were eventually send off to fight in Russia. They never came back.

 

[dutchsteammachine]

OBVIOUSLY "ask the seller"

No reply.

I imagine most collections circulating are bought at estate sales for pennies and no further questions are asked to the family.

 

[dutchsteammachine]

Axes-1-Agfa-1-39

Axes-1-Agfa-1-41

Axes-1-Agfa-Isopan-F-5-21

Axes-1-Agfa-Isopan-F-5-24

Axes-1-Agfa-Isopan-F-5-27

Axes-1-Agfa-Isopan-F-5-26

Axes-1-Agfa-Isopan-F-5-13

Axes-1-Agfa-Isopan-F-5-35

 

[AgX]

Axes-1-Agfa-1-39

Axes-1-Agfa-1-41

You mixed things up here.
These are not photos of the "Axes". But they are showing civilians from the Arbeitsdienst.

(Though maybe taken by a soldier and then from "Axes perspective".
But as indicated in private already, good titling is essential.)


What I find interesting in these two photos is the planting. I never saw such in context of the Arbeitsdienst nor did relate such to my impression on the Arbeitsdienst. One could wonder where that was located.

 

[dutchsteammachine]

Unless there is a way to bulk-rename part of a name of every photo in an album, it is going to take way too much time to manually rename every 'axes' to 'axis'

Alternatively I could bulk-rename every file in the folder on my HDD and reupload everything but that would invalidate every link posted on every forum... a big no-no.

All these photos come from one collection, most of them likely taken by the same person. Thus every photo in that collection gets the same prefix ID. Some individual photos may not match the overall subject of the collection, but they still belong to it.

I got thousands of photos I still need to scan and upload. In order to keep everything organized I need to give every photo an ID. At least every photo from the same collection needs to have the same prefix. After this I may write other things, such as the film stock and frame number.


A lot of archives just use a number ID, which becomes really f**king confusing after a while. Because there is no simple way to know which collection a photo belongs to, and the subject of the photo, without going further into the metadata.