That is predominantly in the Northern Hemisphere, I believe. I understand that things go the other way around in the Southern Hemisphere.... but I only visited there once and was so confused because I was standing on my head while everyone else was standing on their feet. Maybe its the same, and maybe not. Things looked very topsy-turvy from my perspective.
Would you take advantage of an uninformed seller?
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That is predominantly in the Northern Hemisphere, I believe. I understand that things go the other way around in the Southern Hemisphere.... but I only visited there once and was so confused because I was standing on my head while everyone else was standing on their feet. Maybe its the same, and maybe not. Things looked very topsy-turvy from my perspective.
The lady who lives next door to me was a widow at 40. I consider that young, maybe even very young. Her husband had a garage full of expensive machinist tools that Goodwill or Salvation Army hauled away. She felt good about how she decided to dispose of them. She made that decision after several of her husbands "friends' decided to give her some "good advise" on what they are worth and how she should sell them. And she loved her husband very much; he did not die like Mr Fotoman... being told that she wanted to divorce him or anyting like that.
Ken's not answering because he does not wish to further enable the painful pretzel-twisting of justifications. He's not going to allow himself to be carried down that self-serving black hole. Twist and shout all you like, but the original question was simple and crystal clear.
In the given described situation, would you cheat an old lady, or not?
To their credit, about two-thirds said no. Also to their credit, whether they like it or not, about one-third said yes. The general take-away is that in any transaction, business or otherwise, the two-thirds must always work diligently to identify the one-third, if they can. And because they are not savages, help to look out for the weaker who for whatever reasons cannot.
But the two-thirds already know this truth. It's one reason that, even though comfortably in the poll majority, they are so quiet in this thread. They don't need to justify not cheating old ladies.
It just is what it is...
Ken
Either way! I am presently dating a widow -- when her husband died 5 years ago she sold off a lot of stuff that she now regrets getting rid of. But at the time, if you told her that she probably should not sell the truck, etc, etc, she would have told you to STFU...and to mind your own business.
Actually, as a measure of morality, this particular exercise does not contain enough information to make a clean decision. Certainly not enough to get one's knickers in a knot about the results of the poll. The answers to the poll are absolutely worthless is determining the morality of APUG respondents. In addition, this poll seems to depend on dishonest or morally corrupt people to give honest answers to the poll.
But to all those who take this poll seriously and question the morality of people based on the answers of the poll: I am sorry, but I can not take your answers too seriously because the poll is faulty.
And I would not buy a 35mm camera anyway, unless to give to someone who needed one.
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I figured that Ken. I wasn't calling you out, really.
In the given situation only someone that offered her $19 would really be cheating her. She wanted $20. Even I would stare down someone who did that... and I'm a big believer in live and let live (and if judging someone, judge in the silence of my own heart).
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You're "sure"? No, you're "assuming", based on how you see the situation. You don't know why she set the price at $20, you don't know how she'll feel knowing that her husband's gear will be used instead of thrown away, and you sure as hell don't know if she'll feel "cheated".
Exactly.
There's one way to find out if she's "sure."
Tell her the facts and see if she changes her mind.
There's one way to find out if she's "sure."
Tell her the facts and see if she changes her mind.
Even that isn't "for sure". Others have hypothesized that she may be so distraught that she may not be thinking right... and that could impact her ability to make a good judgment one way or the other.
Oh, scratch that. I forgot; I voluntarily left the discussion. Sorry. Mea culpa.
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It can be viewed that way by some, but civilization is not a zero sum game. People don't have to take away from someone else in order to succeed.
Those who insist that it is zero sum are the ones who think "you have become rich only because I am poor" and "I am poor only because you are rich". They fail to see that people can improve their lives without hurting others.
You're allowed one right of return.
But if you storm out after that....sorry. You're done.
And a 'storm out" is anytime you end a post with an.....I'm done" or "to hell with you assholes" or "adios mother%4^546."
It's all there in Forum Rules# 204-B, subsection 88875R down near the bottom of the page.
Sorry I had to edit that, originally I quoted subsection 88874R which specifically pertains to "leaving in a huff" which is handled somewhat differently than a storm out.
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I suppose you're not interested, then, in learning Fred's death was ruled a homicide (poisoning) and Exa is in jail for suspicion of murder? Seems that he was having an affair with his younger assistant. As for that Leica, I'm afraid it's been admitted as evidence since there's still film in it that might reveal clues.
True... it was an assumption. Age has nothing to do with it nor does health or financial situation of the widow. Either we're honest or we're not.
None of that has anything to do with simple honesty. Take all of that out of the equation and the fact remains some of us will take advantage of someone without certain knowledge.
The odds are very much in favor of my statement... IMO.
So tell us, if you knew the yard sale was because her husband died and she was getting rid of his camera gear, would you go to it and why?
We've had a person or two(?), three(?) mentioning glaring at the buyer for buying at the $20. Why not pipe up & tell the widow she's being taken advantage of?
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If it was a Kodak Medalist, it might have even been the murder weapon
.By the way, I didn't respond to the poll - just the discussion.
I have sold camera equipment for a widow. Some folks here (and/or the LF forum) got to take advantage of the decent prices. I told her I would not get as good of a price compared to ebay, but I said the transactions would be smoother and in general the gear would be going to people would would use it. All but one transaction went well. I lost some money on the odd one, but ate the loss since I was being given a TLR system for my trouble. Sorry guys, but I sold the 4x5 gear to the university since I got a better price than I would have from you folks -- and my students got to use it, too.
i.e. you're not sure, and your assumption is no more valid than the complete opposite.
Because a sale is a transaction between a buyer and a seller, and anyone else is nothing more than a batman buttinsky. Interrupting a private conversation is nothing short of rude.
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i don't give $$ but food or gift cards to grocery stores / coffee shops.
when i was a grad student i used to make 3 lunches and give 2 of them away
when people asked me for $$. i figure they needed a meal more than they needed
to have another drink. once in a while they would ask me to sit on the ledge with them
under the overpas in puddle of pee and "share a smile" with them i declined.
once in a while when someone asked for change for a cup of coffee i would ask what kind of coffee
and buy them the largest one i could find ... their reply was usually " why are you giving me this, i don't drink coffee"
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thanks for that pretzel logic reference
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this thread gets funnier every page. i'm waiting for some sort of godwin event ..
I don't give cash to homeless either but if they're hungry I've bought them food.
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