Would you buy a Nikon FM2n in 2020?

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That weir looking 45mm is not going anywhere. Never saw anything like that. :smile: Would the 50mm 1.4 AI be a worthy second? Or a 35mm one.
As for film, my fridge cannot hold anything more. I have been out of photography for almost a year, but I kept piling up everything from expired Panatomic-X and Rollei Pan 25 to bulk rolls of PanF+, TriX and Fomapan. I will buy a fridge too because my wife got really pissed with all these. :smile:
 

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That weir looking 45mm is not going anywhere. Never saw anything like that. :smile: Would the 50mm 1.4 AI be a worthy second? Or a 35mm one.
As for film, my fridge cannot hold anything more. I have been out of photography for almost a year, but I kept piling up everything from expired Panatomic-X and Rollei Pan 25 to bulk rolls of PanF+, TriX and Fomapan. I will buy a fridge too because my wife got really pissed with all these. :smile:

The fm3a was sold as a set with that 45mm in matching colour.

A nice half case for that bad boy to keep it nice and all that film and youve got no excuse now not to start emptying the fridge and keep yr wife happy.
 

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That weir looking 45mm is not going anywhere. Never saw anything like that. :smile: Would the 50mm 1.4 AI be a worthy second?

Go all out for the 1.2 instead . . .

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45mm is rare, and that is why it is expensive. Every 50mm will out perform it big time. 50mm f2 costs like 10% of 45mm. Fridge is not necessary if you have a relative cold basement.

When you say outperform, how exactly could one assess that?
Besides the perspective due to focal lenght, would you say that you can detect a difference if you're using 100 speed color negative film, minilab processed and scanned?
Would you have to make optical prints of a certain size to distinguish it?
 

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350 euros for the body AND lens? That is a bargain! I bought a FM2n earlier this year, used to have one back in 2013, foolishly sold it. I love it, makes a great pair to my M4. Since you have that 45 I'd get something wider, 28 or wider. 35 and 50 are way too close. Enjoy!
 

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I sold my FM3a - it had too many bells and whistles for me. I kept my FM2n - just right. I don't own the 45 pancake lens, so won't comment on that. I have owned the 50/1.8 Ais semi-pancake, which is remarkably sharp for a bargain lens, but not of the highest mechanical build. Now I almost exclusively use a classic 85/1.4 Ais on my Nikon. But if I wanted another normal, I'd choose a 58/1.4 Voigtlander. For the price of that 45 pancake, I could get another used Fuji 6X9 RF with an equivalent angle of view, having a 90mm lens - and it's that very camera which has caused to me to carry the Nikon less and less.
 

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For the price of that 45 pancake, I could get another used Fuji 6X9 RF with an equivalent angle of view, having a 90mm lens - and it's that very camera which has caused to me to carry the Nikon less and less.

Excellent perspective.
 
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The fm3a was sold as a set with that 45mm in matching colour.

A nice half case for that bad boy to keep it nice and all that film and youve got no excuse now not to start emptying the fridge and keep yr wife happy.

I will get a leather case Nikon made for these in very good condition. I really appreciate the never ready cases especially the lower half. Not only it protects the camera, but sometimes it saves a few from light leaks due to worn light seals.

45mm is rare, and that is why it is expensive. Every 50mm will out perform it big time. 50mm f2 costs like 10% of 45mm. Fridge is not necessary if you have a relative cold basement.

Unfortunately, I live in a multi store building without a basement. One good thing about the fridges is that they keep the temperature constant and most of the moisture away.

Go all out for the 1.2 instead . . .

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I have the Zuiko 50mm 1.2 for my Oly OMs. However, it is very difficult for me to focus it (20/20 vision is gone for me). How things are with this one? Thankfully I have dioptre adjustment lenses from my FA.

350 euros for the body AND lens? That is a bargain! I bought a FM2n earlier this year, used to have one back in 2013, foolishly sold it. I love it, makes a great pair to my M4. Since you have that 45 I'd get something wider, 28 or wider. 35 and 50 are way too close. Enjoy!

I am thinking going for a 35mm one. Which one to choose? Are there any third party made like the ones from Voightlander?

If only I could get my hands on at least one roll of that!

:smile: I have two 50 meter 135 cans and 20 120 rolls (2 of them are 80s expired, but tested o.k.).

I sold my FM3a - it had too many bells and whistles for me. I kept my FM2n - just right. I don't own the 45 pancake lens, so won't comment on that. I have owned the 50/1.8 Ais semi-pancake, which is remarkably sharp for a bargain lens, but not of the highest mechanical build. Now I almost exclusively use a classic 85/1.4 Ais on my Nikon. But if I wanted another normal, I'd choose a 58/1.4 Voigtlander. For the price of that 45 pancake, I could get another used Fuji 6X9 RF with an equivalent angle of view, having a 90mm lens - and it's that very camera which has caused to me to carry the Nikon less and less.

That little 45mm lens is not going anywhere. :smile: I never came across anything like that. The guy that sold me the camera also has the Nikon 50/1.4 and the Ultron 40mm/2. Should I go for the Ultron? Is Nokton 50/1.4 better than the Nikon? He sells me the ultron for 400 euros.

Excellent perspective.

Yes, but medium format is another story. I am looking for a Bronica S2A in excellent condition for now and then we will see about the 6x9 format. I need to try it first before spending on it as I never used 6x9 before.
 

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Personally I'd chill with lenses until you shoot the 45mm a bit. You might think ok I love this lens -this is all i need in the focal length 35mm to 50mm and instead get a wide or mid tele or a macro or whatever. Or you might think ok ergonomics of 45 are a bit of a pain and want a different 35 - 50mm lens.

Shoot it first though.
 

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I am thinking going for a 35mm one. Which one to choose? Are there any third party made like the ones from Voightlander?

My personal choice is the Zeiss 35/2 ZF. I owned the 35/2 AI in the past, nice little lens. I also had the 35/1.4, again, nice lens and compact for a f/1.4 lens but f/1.4 was for emergencies really. f/2 was good. However in my opinion the Zeiss 35/2 is sharper than either of the Nikons wide open (which is what I use it most) and the contrast/colour is punchier. It also means I get a consistent look when used along side my Leica which I also use Zeiss lenses on.

You mentioned the Voigtlander 40/2 Ultron. That is an excellent lens too, I owned it twice and it is a really really really good lens.

In any case, use the 45 you have for a while, you are looking at way too many options right now. Take a deep breath, spend some time with the 45 and then see what the 45 can't do for you and you'll know what you need next.
 

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Congrats on your acquisition!
I sold my FM3a - it had too many bells and whistles for me. I kept my FM2n - just right. I don't own the 45 pancake lens, so won't comment on that. I have owned the 50/1.8 Ais semi-pancake, which is remarkably sharp for a bargain lens, but not of the highest mechanical build. Now I almost exclusively use a classic 85/1.4 Ais on my Nikon. But if I wanted another normal, I'd choose a 58/1.4 Voigtlander. For the price of that 45 pancake, I could get another used Fuji 6X9 RF with an equivalent angle of view, having a 90mm lens - and it's that very camera which has caused to me to carry the Nikon less and less.
But don't tell me it's due the Fuji's compactness /s :tongue:
It's another opinion thrown in here, I casually happen to have 40mm equivalent lenses across formats (one of the fujis, a 40mm 2.8 with a Pentax MC and a 19mm for micro 4/3) and got used to that FL. I don't think the difference between 45 and 50mm is that significant, although it is for me between 40mm and 50mm.

My relationship with 35mm is quite odd. Thought I'd drop its use after I got medium format (6x9) but it does compliment nicely. Anyhow I do prioritise MF budget wise, and as much as you spend in a great 35mm, the negs will not be medium format. Having said that, I keep a couple 35mm's in rotation and I do get surprised at the beauty of the format, specially for smaller 18x24 prints.
I would say not much can be wrong getting one of these mechanical cameras, as someone said, the hype is in electronic P&S cameras. I can recommend a NIkon F801 and/or F90 as a highly featured addition to the FM2... Because that time when you wish you had another type of film loaded will arrive.
 

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I don't know about performance but the 45 doesn't look good on the FM3a and the 50 f/1.2 is too big. I think a 50 f/1.4 or f/2 would look good.
 
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Late to this party but absolutely would buy an FM2n. I have one and love it. Don't use it a great deal but still find it a great camera.
 

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No, I would get a Nikon F4 instead because I need interchangeable viewfinder and auto focus.
 

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I have the Zuiko 50mm 1.2 for my Oly OMs. However, it is very difficult for me to focus it (20/20 vision is gone for me). How things are with this one? Thankfully I have dioptre adjustment lenses from my FA.

What a coincidence, I got that one too . . . :wink:

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Fortunately, these old eyes still seem to be up to snuff but obviously a bigger magnification can yield more repeatable results when focusing wide open with these fast lenses.
 

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That was a killer price for the FM2n with the 45mm 2.8 lens. Normally the lens by itself goes for at least that.

I've got great results with that lens - here on Kodak ProImage 100

 

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Would you spend a hefty for a Nikon FM2n noways?

Short answer: No.

Long answer, with the disclaimer that I haven't used a Nikon FM: I think these are solid cameras, and maybe overrated is a strong word, but they are definitely overpriced.

I have a few Nikons (FE, FG, N8008, Nikomat FT2). The FE is probably the "nicest" of all my manual-focus 35mm cameras, but it's not one of which I have become particularly fond (and I don't know why). It's very smooth, but my Minolta XG-E (the only X-series Minolta I own) has even less mirror slap, and (much to my surprise) my $7 Sears KS Auto comes close.

I think the idea of an all-mechanical camera is overrated. "It works without batteries" -- and, so? Button batteries are cheap and last years, and when they die (even in my mechanical cameras) I change them because I don't want to shoot without an in-camera meter. Furthermore, all-mechanical cameras are much more prone to going out of adjustment than cameras (like the FE) with electronically-timed shutters. And it's nice to have an aperture-priority mode, even for those of us who like shooting manually. Point, focus, shoot. Done.

I know Nikon lenses are highly regarded, and no doubt deserve that reputation. But we're talking about 35mm film (and for me, traditional-grain B&W). If I post five pictures, taken with Nikon, Pentax, Rokkor, Tamron and Sears lenses, I defy anyone to tell the difference. (I've tried this on another forum and no one took me up on it.) A Pentax 50/1.7 can be had for $30. A Nikon Series E 50/1.8 costs twice as much. (Although 85mm Pentax lenses are more expensive than Nikkor. Go figure.)

The FM's LED meter display is the type I like least. It has five displays, and whether you're one stop off or 4 stops off, you see the same thing. There's no clear indication if you can get where you need to be with a simple change in aperture or if you need to change shutter speed as well. A match-needle display (Nikon FE, Pentax KX) or row of LEDs (Nikon FG, Pentax P30T) at least lets you know if you're in the ballpark.

FM2 can't use pre-AI lenses. Now, my FE can, and using pre-AI lenses requires stop-down metering which is a pain in the butt and I don't know why anyone in their right mind would want to do it, but Nikon people seem to regard this as important so I'll mention it.

People talk about how durable the FM2 is. Well, perhaps. But so is my Pentax KX. My grandfather bought it new, I got it around 1990, it's been hauled throughout the US and Europe, carried around in numerous unpadded backpacks and improvised camera bags, been in the hot, been in the cold, left to sit for twenty years, dug out and used again. It's never once been serviced, and yet it still works just fine (I put a roll through it yesterday).

So that's my thought. People say "The Nikon FM2 is the best 35mm cameras ever made," but I don't see any hard evidence of that. I think it's a victim of its own fame. It's not a bad camera, not at all. It certainly has a lot of nice features. But for the price of a Nikon FM, you can buy a couple different cameras that are just as good, maybe better.

Personally, I think the FE is a better camera than the FM, given the match-needle meter, addition of an auto mode, precision of its electronically-timed shutter, and folding AI tab. From what I understand, the FE2 has more advanced features and no disadvantages. So those are probably the "best" manual focus Nikons made. I have one and I still don't enjoy it as much as my other cameras, but likeability is subjective. Personally I prefer the lightweight FG, but I'm a contrarian.

By all means go ahead and buy one if you have your heart set on it -- if you don't, every time you see one in the field you're going to look at your FE2 with disdain and think, I should have had one of those. Want is the only real reason to buy something. But would I spend the hefty bucks on an FM2 nowadays? Nope, not me!

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Short answer: No.
Long answer, with the disclaimer that I haven't used a Nikon FM: I think these are solid cameras, and maybe overrated is a strong word, but they are definitely overpriced.
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But would I spend the hefty bucks on an FM2 nowadays? Nope, not me!

So if the price to you is right, would you buy it?
 

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Long answer, with the disclaimer that I haven't used a Nikon FM: I think these are solid cameras, and maybe overrated is a strong word, but they are definitely overpriced.

Maybe we have different expectations of used film camera prices, but I bought a black FM just over a year ago that was in pretty mint condition. It came with a similarly mint Nikon 50/1.8 Ai lens for a total of $150. Maybe I could have done even better on price if I bought one that was more heavily used, but that seemed pretty cheap to me for this package. Maybe I'm just used to Leica prices so everything seems cheap in comparison, but $150 for a high-quality camera/lens seems more than reasonable to me.
 
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