Would be fascinated to know: How many new Leica MP film bodies are sold, worldwide, each day?

[David Lyga]

Per day or per month or per year? Any reasonable intelligence here? - David Lyga

 

[film_man]

42

(sorry couldn't resist)

 

[AgX]

Do not overlook that Leica Camera as a whole is reducing their employees and moving their center of gravity more to the software side.

 

[Dali]

42

(sorry couldn't resist)

 

[Henning Serger]

Per day or per month or per year? Any reasonable intelligence here? - David Lyga

Hello David,

Leica is producing more than 1,000 film based M Leicas p.a..
And the demand is increasing for quite some time now.
This data is official by Leica, from last Photokina.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[David Lindquist]

I'd like to know the same for the Linhof Master Technika Classic and the Master Technika 3000.

David

 

[David Lyga]

Hello David,

Leica is producing more than 1,000 film based M Leicas p.a..
And the demand is increasing for quite some time now.
This data is official by Leica, from last Photokina.

Best regards,
Henning

Is this "p. a." 'per annum'? In other works, about three or four per day? - David Lyga

 

[ic-racer]

Not knowing what a 'Leica MP' is, I went to their website to check for film camera. A search for "Film" turned up blank for cameras. Maybe I'll ask here. What is an MP and how is it different from an M6, M4 or MA???

 

[AgX]

"analog" does not get you further either...

These are the days...

 

[MattKing]

The MP and the M-A are the only film cameras listed under the heading "Leica M System" under Photography.
And you are right, there is nothing in the description of them that would lead you to guess that it they are film cameras, save and except the reference to a winder on one of the sub-menus.
I'm curious - is there no mention of film on the version of the site in German?

 

[AgX]

What is an MP and how is it different from an M6, M4 or MA???

Leica only offers 2 film cameras : MA and MP

The MA (M analog) is a basic M-model, The MP the same, but with a exposure meter added.

https://de.leica-camera.com/content...ersion/3/file/Technical-Data-Leica-M-A_EN.pdf
https://de.leica-camera.com/content/download/109714/1077450/version/2/file/MP+Technical+Data_en.pdf

 

[film_man]

Not knowing what a 'Leica MP' is, I went to their website to check for film camera. A search for "Film" turned up blank for cameras. Maybe I'll ask here. What is an MP and how is it different from an M6, M4 or MA???

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While the search function in Leica's site is maybe not the best, searching for "mp" does get you to the Leica MP page. Anyway, you ask:

How is an MP different to an M6? It comes with a warranty.
How is it different to an M4? It comes with a meter and a warranty.
How is it different to an M-A? It comes with a meter.

 

[Henning Serger]

Is this "p. a." 'per annum'? In other works, about three or four per day? - David Lyga

Yes. p.a. = per annum.
More than 1,000 units every year, and the demand is increasing.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[David Lyga]

OK so that means only about four per day, worldwide: one in New York, one in London, one in Berlin ... Not many for a nearly $5000 body!!!

 

[BradS]

The MP and the M-A are the only film cameras listed under the heading "Leica M System" under Photography.
And you are right, there is nothing in the description of them that would lead you to guess that it they are film cameras, save and except the reference to a winder on one of the sub-menus.
I'm curious - is there no mention of film on the version of the site in German?

"Photography" implies film.

 

[miha]

OK so that means only about four per day, worldwide: one in New York, one in London, one in Berlin ... Not many for a nearly $5000 body!!!

Indeed. I wonder how these numbers compare to Ondu, Zero image, Harman and other pinhole camera makes.

 

[abruzzi]

Indeed. I wonder how these numbers compare to Ondu, Zero image, Harman and other pinhole camera makes.

It would also be interesting to know how it compares to their digital camera sales. I'd guess digital is significantly higher but I'd be curious how significant.

 

[miha]

Well we have just learned that Sofort beats them all.

 

[summicron1]

OK so that means only about four per day, worldwide: one in New York, one in London, one in Berlin ... Not many for a nearly $5000 body!!!

well, yes, but keep in mind that a LOT of potential buyers, like me (if I had that sort of money) are patiently waiting for our existing M3 and M4s to wear out before we spend $5,000 on a camera body that is essentially the same thing.

Any day now ....

 

[Dan Fromm]

well, yes, but keep in mind that a LOT of potential buyers, like me (if I had that sort of money) are patiently waiting for our existing M3 and M4s to wear out before we spend $5,000 on a camera body that is essentially the same thing.

Any day now ....

How long have you been saying that?

 

[NortheastPhotographic]

I couldn't care less if Leica stopped making new film cameras altogether. I get why they do, fools and their money and all that. They don't need to though. Want a meter? M6, M7. Don't want a meter? M3, 2, 4, 4-2. 4-P. SO many choices.

A good M4 is just as good as a brand spanking new MA, at a fraction of the cost. Plus it has a history to it, and my personal conspiracy theory is that Leica today does not exactly make them like they used to.

In my perfect world, I think Leica should just commit to keeping any and all Ms running by either stocking or fabricating new parts. Commit to restorations and CLAs. That's a lot more useful than brand new film cameras for people who just haaaave to spend $4 grand on something shiny and untouched.

I'll keep shooting my F6 and LX now.

 

[summicron1]

How long have you been saying that?

about 20 years. ;-)

 

[mshchem]

Not knowing what a 'Leica MP' is, I went to their website to check for film camera. A search for "Film" turned up blank for cameras. Maybe I'll ask here. What is an MP and how is it different from an M6, M4 or MA???

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MP is a M6TTL without TTL-OTF flash metering, a retro style pain in the but rewind crank and retro appearance. It looks fabulous, if it only had a M4, M6 rewind crank it would be perfect. A modern interpretation of the original MP, black paint on a brass top cover, absolutely beautiful. As long as there are multi millionaires there will be film Leicas. The tooling is paid for Leica probably nets 2,000 bucks a unit. M7 never did it for me, incredible camera, but battery dependent.

 

[mshchem]

I couldn't care less if Leica stopped making new film cameras altogether. I get why they do, fools and their money and all that. They don't need to though. Want a meter? M6, M7. Don't want a meter? M3, 2, 4, 4-2. 4-P. SO many choices.

A good M4 is just as good as a brand spanking new MA, at a fraction of the cost. Plus it has a history to it, and my personal conspiracy theory is that Leica today does not exactly make them like they used to.

In my perfect world, I think Leica should just commit to keeping any and all Ms running by either stocking or fabricating new parts. Commit to restorations and CLAs. That's a lot more useful than brand new film cameras for people who just haaaave to spend $4 grand on something shiny and untouched.

I'll keep shooting my F6 and LX now.

You speak with a forked tounge. I don't want to be around to see the day that Leica stops making film cameras. Think of the buyers as Patrons of the Art of Photography. Nope it's good to have rich people who buy this stuff. By the way don't think 4 grand would buy a MP

 

[AgX]

What Patrons those buyers are?

I has been indicated above that the vast majority of film users is not interested in buying a new Leica of that sort. Nor do Leica make a low-priced film camera. Thus what are they funding?
The Leica digital cameras sell much better, they do no need crossfunding from film camera sales. Nor does the Barnack Prize.