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The reason adding more memory was the most effective upgrade was because system was paging/swapping to hard disk - meaning the software running required more memory than the system previously had. It had to write data to your disk temporary to make space in memory.

Now that you are going to be adding enough memory (8 gig) for the program, most, if not all of the program will run in memory. Now the bottle neck will be how fast CPU can access all that memory. That's when number of CPU cores and amount of cache is going to start making difference. That's a whole different ball game than memory bound systems.

I'm not going to discourage you from going to Celeron E3500, if that is a better cpu than what you currently use. But, if you are going to do that, please do understand, that cpu will now be the limiting factor. By going with better CPU, more cache and core, will improve performance.

That said, there is no limit to "add this and upgrade this - and get better performance" game. There's always better, so you have to draw a line somewhere. I just wanted to add this because Celeron may have two cores but there is a reason why it's Celeron - lower grade CPU on Intel's line-up.

Cache on board buffers data transfer between relatively slow memory and fast cpu. It prevents CPU from waiting on memory to finish writing and some cases, reading. While it can not do magic, it does help greatly especially in heavy data manipulation tasks, like image editing.
 
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That said, there is no limit to "add this and upgrade this - and get better performance" game. There's always better, so you have to draw a line somewhere.

Reminds me a lot of the digital camera game. :D

Thanks for your thoughts tkamiya. I am still looking but the real limiting factor, as normal, is the amount of budget I have. The better I control the "spend" on this computer upgrade, the sooner I can go looking for a decent printer. And that will open an entirely new can of worms!! :wondering:
 

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Ooooohhh..... Printers.... it's not a can of worms. Oh no... You buy worms in cartridges and you need 12 of them. Arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry.... I'm ok. really.
 

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Well, all I can say as to printers is if you have the budget for one, new printers can be a revelation! I had an Epson 2200 (still do, but it drove me batty for a variety of reasons not the least of which was constantly clogging nozzles). As a result of its issues, it sat unused for many years. I just got an Epson 3880 and WOW! what a difference. Not only will it print bigger, but it prints beautifully, the ink cartridges last forever, and no need for head cleanings so far.
 
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Yeah. We won't even discuss my printers other then to say that they make my computer look quite up to date. I usually wet print all my black and white, but my color printing is usually farmed out for the most important stuff. However I have to admit that if I keep my monitor properly calibrated the old HP printer will actually put out some pretty decent stuff. I have done a few four-panel 16 by 20 prints on that old HP that turned out pretty darned nice. I usually piddle around with the HP till I think I am close, then I send the digital file with my calibration settings to the lab and they produce my final print. That typically works out pretty well.

As for clogging print nozzles, that must be an Epson trademark thing. I have an old Epson PictureMate that I use for my 4x6 snapshots and I am continually cleaning the nozzles on that thing. I put up with it because it does put out some very nice looking prints. But I can about imagine how frustrating that would be on full size photo printer.:sad:
 

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Not interested in a Mac Mini? I had a similar problem with a 2006 Dell tower blue-screening on me left and right. The 2011 Mac Minis are going for about $568 on Amazon and you can increase RAM to 8GB for $40!! Hook up your monitor with a mini-display to VGA adapter and you are good to go! Oh, then there's the problem of getting new software for Mac. :sad: But don't Macs last way longer than PCs?
 
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Mac???

Actually I have nothing against Macs, my daughter uses one and loves it. My biggest problem is that I have used PCs for everything for years. I have an investment in software for my Windows PC that would be costly to replace. I am afraid that to convert to Mac at this point will take more money to buy the hardware and software, and time learning how to use it all.
 

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The learning curve for switching to Mac from PC is quite short. But the software conversion in itself is not cheap, no matter how you slice it. That said, you could (as I mentioned previously) run the Mac in dual boot mode with Windows on a second partition, or for a small investment (<$70) run Windows in a virtual machine environment (better, for a whole host of reasons) so you could keep your windows sofware until you could afford to replace it a piece at a time. And a lot of graphic design software for the Mac is available through a student discount (surely there is someone in your family who is either in school or working for a school) - that's how I got my copy of Photoshop CS4 without going broke.
 

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Mac users are like those folks who come to your door with pamphlets -- always evangelizing :smile:
Get whatever you are comfortable with and fits your budget. It's just a computer.
 
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Mac users are like those folks who come to your door with pamphlets -- always evangelizing :smile:
Get whatever you are comfortable with and fits your budget. It's just a computer.

Much like my daughter...who uses a Mac for some things and a PC for all the rest. :smile:
 

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Mac users are like those folks who come to your door with pamphlets -- always evangelizing :smile:
Get whatever you are comfortable with and fits your budget. It's just a computer.

I totally used to think the same thing til I got one. :smile:

Just kidding around, Pioneer. If I were in your position I'd stick with PC because of your software investment.
 
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