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Ben, You should have waited a few years before getting married ...
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In a situation like this, saying that the cop feels threatened is really hiding behind a finger. Either that particular cop doesn't want to be filmed because he perceives this as a lack of trust by a citizen in his correctness and he's a bastard enough to get pissed over that, or the local police boss instructed his men to use that (laughable) excuse to avoid being filmed while on duty, which also means they know they don't play by the rules.
I myself would have filmed the occurrence, if at all possible, without making myself evident. The guy might have been beaten or abused with calm after arrest in a secluded place. You would protect society (if not your friend) more by filming police behaviour while remaining unnoticed.
I can't understand how can a policeman arrest somebody claiming that her videocamera makes him feel insecure and not be sentenced himself quite fast. I'm pretty sure if something like that had happened to an Italian policeman he would escape prison but would be certainly either fired or transferred 1000 km away - which would be illegal anyway, "punitive transfer" I mean, typically to induce resignation - but it does happen within the police, an acquaintance of mine resigned from the police after having being transferred in a "punitive" way, he told me he made una cosa sporchetta, "a little dirty thing". There is hope for a country when the police itself understands the need to be punitive against bad behaviour in its own ranks.
The police will to avoid a scandal over this (minor, in the great scheme of things) incident, but I would be curious to know what happens to the idiot and to his career as a policeman.
I myself would have filmed the occurrence, if at all possible, without making myself evident. The guy might have been beaten or abused with calm after arrest in a secluded place. You would protect society (if not your friend) more by filming police behaviour while remaining unnoticed.
I can't understand how can a policeman arrest somebody claiming that her videocamera makes him feel insecure and not be sentenced himself quite fast. I'm pretty sure if something like that had happened to an Italian policeman he would escape prison but would be certainly either fired or transferred 1000 km away - which would be illegal anyway, "punitive transfer" I mean, typically to induce resignation - but it does happen within the police, an acquaintance of mine resigned from the police after having being transferred in a "punitive" way, he told me he made una cosa sporchetta, "a little dirty thing". There is hope for a country when the police itself understands the need to be punitive against bad behaviour in its own ranks.
The police will to avoid a scandal over this (minor, in the great scheme of things) incident, but I would be curious to know what happens to the idiot and to his career as a policeman.
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It is my understanding that you can only be arrested for (or on suspicion of) an arrestable offence (at least, that is the case here). Otherwise, it's wrongful arrest.
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In many jurisdictions peace officers may also detain someone if it is necessary to do so in order to:
1) protect the safety of individuals,
2) protect property from damage or destruction, or
3) protect and secure evidence of a serious offence.
There is a lot of overlap between the power to arrest and the power to detain, but they aren't exactly the same.
Ironically, this might mean that a police officer could detain someone for threatening to destroy photographs that might constitute evidence of an offence.
Please note that this varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
Perhaps the overriding question is this: As a nation, how do we define freedom?
The striking problem to me seems obvious: Why are there so many people in this country who continue to look past such attempts by police to create their own laws? And many of these same people, while waving the flag, would state openly and honestly that the police are PROTECTING our freedoms when they act in this way. Clearly, this woman was not wrong but was 'guilty' of committing that subliminal crime: tampering with police egos. The police 'make up' a crime to cover their desperate attempts to cover their crimes. There are some locales (in New York I saw this years ago) where police cover their badges in tin foil to prevent positive identification.
In the end it is up to us to decide just what 'freedom' stands for. I have already become a certified 'crackpot' for standing up for what is rationally (but not EMOTIONALLY) correct. - David Lyga.
The striking problem to me seems obvious: Why are there so many people in this country who continue to look past such attempts by police to create their own laws? And many of these same people, while waving the flag, would state openly and honestly that the police are PROTECTING our freedoms when they act in this way. Clearly, this woman was not wrong but was 'guilty' of committing that subliminal crime: tampering with police egos. The police 'make up' a crime to cover their desperate attempts to cover their crimes. There are some locales (in New York I saw this years ago) where police cover their badges in tin foil to prevent positive identification.
In the end it is up to us to decide just what 'freedom' stands for. I have already become a certified 'crackpot' for standing up for what is rationally (but not EMOTIONALLY) correct. - David Lyga.
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I am going to withhold making judgement until more facts are available. A video posted on Internet by someone can be (and often are) so far from being impartial and complete source of information. I can see so many variations of events and situations not in the video to make one or the other party - the bad guy.
Yep, here in good 'ol Indiana the idea of "rights" is a thing of the past
The pen is mightier than sword, and camera scares the sh*t out of the NWO types. They scare easy, that's why all that KEVLAR.
Yep, here in good 'ol Indiana the idea of "rights" is a thing of the past
Anyone who still think right cannot be taken away, use what happened there in Indiana a few months ago as an example.
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:w00t::w00t: LOL she got what she deserved!! It is my right to video tape a cop doing his or her job? Lick my ass if thats true becuase it isnt. get off the legal precedents becuase it is people on welfare like this chick who are screwing all our rights over in the first place with there wonderful yet whitty comments and actions. oh wait telling a cop im just out here enjoying the night air. BAM id hit her with my night stick and ask her how that night air really tastes give her what she was really asking for in that situation. the guy would have been a hero....not with the rednecks but with me id vote him into office for that one. screw a medal her are the keys to the white house baby. so folks get over all the rights you though you had. unless you have a bigger dildo than the US government dont complain about how crappy this country is; just know its worse everywhere else. hell at least we got a 4G network!!!
:w00t::w00t: LOL she got what she deserved!! It is my right to video tape a cop doing his or her job? Lick my ass if thats true becuase it isnt. get off the legal precedents becuase it is people on welfare like this chick who are screwing all our rights over in the first place with there wonderful yet whitty comments and actions. oh wait telling a cop im just out here enjoying the night air. BAM id hit her with my night stick and ask her how that night air really tastes give her what she was really asking for in that situation. the guy would have been a hero....not with the rednecks but with me id vote him into office for that one. screw a medal her are the keys to the white house baby. so folks get over all the rights you though you had. unless you have a bigger dildo than the US government dont complain about how crappy this country is; just know its worse everywhere else. hell at least we got a 4G network!!!
How are these threads even relevant? I realize this is about "photographer rights", but it appears more to be just controversial news clippings posted to spark trolling and cop/government bashing.
I just feel that these threads don't do anything good and just create "drama".
My $.02
I just feel that these threads don't do anything good and just create "drama".
My $.02
QUOTE=Steve Smith;1199941]Except it isn't.
Most of the 'facts' in your post are wrong.
Steve.[/QUOTE]
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Hey thanks to all for reading my post!! I enjoyed the feedback and the 2 cents LOL. No this post is not to spark drama so if that is what anyone is looking for go hangout with the kardashians they enjoy that. As for steve I am not sure where you think my facts are wrong because I am speaking from experience. Is it the right to do what you want on your own property YES. However, you must have missed that fact that the government can do what they want to keep order. The cop said nothing wrong and was within his rights to arrest the women. I am totally right that idiots are dragging this country down not civilized indiviuals like ourselves. Yes I am right when i say there are worse places to be than this country. So for the guy who was upset cause he though I was bashing England do not get upset you guys will always have soccer and cool military uniforms. You guys will always be the candle in my wind ooops I meant I farted my bad!! NIKON ROCKS!!
Yes. I'm, hoping he (she?) Is experimenting with irony and sarcasm.... but I'm not sure!
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Kinda of sounds like the Rochester of the mid 60's
There is a PBS documentary of the race problems, caused by the attitude of the Rochester police at that time, it is called SMUG.
Tom Richards the new mayor of Rochester should step up to the plate on this one, but he won't. Never been that type of person---- no money in it for him.
There is a PBS documentary of the race problems, caused by the attitude of the Rochester police at that time, it is called SMUG.
Tom Richards the new mayor of Rochester should step up to the plate on this one, but he won't. Never been that type of person---- no money in it for him.
I love this: "He has no Constitutional right to feel safe." Do you have a constiutional right to feel safe? Did you ever serve on the front lines in battle, or do law enforcement? Do the cops have a right to go home to their families at the end of their shift? The cops don't know what is happening in her head. I did not hear them say that she couldn't film them, just requested that she goes into the house. until you have had the experience, Do ou have the right to protest those in harms way? Don
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I will stand in my front yard ANYTIME I CARE TO DO SO. So will my wife, children and dog. NOBODY will tell me to go into the house unless we're under martial law. I'll photograph anyone I damn well please while standing in my front yard. If arrested I will vigorously defend myself in court. Are we clear?
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No, and neither does the cop.
Those are two completely different things. Cops are civillians.
They don't have any special right to that, any more than people who work other dangerous jobs like mining and truck driving have such a 'right'. And there is no evidence that this woman was affecting their ability to do so, anyway.
Which is an unreasonable and, if backed by force of law, illegal request.
They are in harms way by their own choice. They get paid to do their job, and take certain risks in exchange, the same as any fisherman, farmer, or delivery driver--all occupations which, by the way, are more dangerous than policing.
They tried very politely to explain that someone behind them was at best uncomfortable. Why didn't she walk out and film them from in front of the officers? That would have solved the problem. Don
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Tough Shit.
Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
When and where did the cop say that he didn't want her to video tape him? Did I miss that part? The fear is of the unknown in such a situation and the fear factor rises. I wonder how many of those who are upset with the cop have ever been in that position. This is why most cop cruisers now have video cams to record what happens. Those dash cams are good for all. Don
Man I must be dumber than a mushroom. Some types of fishing is dangerous. Those are the exception. Farmers, and I know because I live in a farming area usually get hurt by accidents with their own equipment. Delivery drivers? What the heck is dangerous about that? She clearly stated that she was a friend of the guy they were arresting. You don't think she could have had a small handgun in her pocket? Again, why didn't she just do as asked, or walk to the front where the cops could keep an eye on her? I don't recall them saying that she couldn't film, they just did not enjoy her being behind them. Ever had ad gun aimed at you or been shot? Yeah, cops are paid, poorly but paid for doing what they believe in. Don
Funny, the one who had his back to her never said a word. The one who was complaining was facing her the whole time.
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