Why shoot analogue colour photos?

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gbroadbridge

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Maybe we can agree that many people like to use colour film because of the somewhat unpredictable results - or the mere idea that results could be unpredictable?

That's pretty true in my case.

When working for a client where colour accuracy and consistency is critical obviously I will be using a colour managed workflow with colorchecker cards and a calibrated camera.

Film of course did it's best at the time in relation to those requirements, but there are so many variables even in raw film stocks that consistency has to be achieved later. In the motion picture game even with the same batch numbers of film there would always be a requirement for grading later even with the same shots taken with different mag loads. To claim otherwise, that film is always consistent, is nonsense. Too many variables.

It's the 'wobble' in film stocks that makes them interesting - without it you may as well be shooting digitally.
 

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That's pretty true in my case.

When working for a client where colour accuracy and consistency is critical obviously I will be using a colour managed workflow with colorchecker cards and a calibrated camera.

Film of course did it's best at the time in relation to those requirements, but there are so many variables even in raw film stocks that consistency has to be achieved later. In the motion picture game even with the same batch numbers of film there would always be a requirement for grading later even with the same shots taken with different mag loads. To claim otherwise, that film is always consistent, is nonsense. Too many variables.

It's the 'wobble' in film stocks that makes them interesting - without it you may as well be shooting digitally.

So do you make your own prints, and if so are they analog or digital? Do you adjust for the variations or accept them as is? Some film shooters seem to seek out film with built-in flaws, considering it part of the process.
 

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Maybe we can agree that many people like to use colour film because of the somewhat unpredictable results - or the mere idea that results could be unpredictable?

Well... You said "many people" and not "everyone", so I guess we'd have to quibble as to how many is "many"... From my limited experience:

(1) I know of at least one YouTuber who feels the way you describe.

(2) That is the only example I can think of. Everyone else I see and talk, including myself, is not really looking for unpredictability. But perhaps they are looking for some of the "imperfections" of film?
 
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To claim otherwise, that film is always consistent, is nonsense. Too many variables.

Hi, this has not been my experience with the lower-speed pro portrait/wedding films from Kodak. The last of which was Portra 160. I have had first-hand knowledge (some years past), based on sensitometric tests, showing that they behave nearly identically, even across emulsions. When I say nearly identical, I mean that if I were to present you with one or two dozen tri-color density plots and said, try to find one that is different, you wouldn't be able to do it. Except that very occasionally there might be some sort of running change in the product, or perhaps one emulsion with a very slightly different sensitometric signature.

The outfit where I worked was a large chain studio operation, with a large processing lab. We ran several miles of these films every day, printing drastically more than that. Because of some long-forgotten problem we began screening every new emulsion number via sensitometric wedges. (The complete emulsion runs were reserved for our use.) Our warehouse would pull a couple of semi-random 100 ft rolls for us (QC Dept) to check. It would NOT be shipped out to studios until we gave the ok. (This was probably 1980ish.) I don't recall exact dates, but I would say by the early 1990s almost everything would be identical.

We initially thought that the entire web of a master roll could not possibly be consistent. So to see how bad it actually was we pulled a number of samples (100-ft rolls) from certain locations in the film web. So a set of cross-web samples near the beginning, middle, and end of the master roll. Maybe a dozen or more cans of film. We exposed a handful of sensi wedges on each sample, then processed the film. To my great surprise the plots (full curve, tri-color) were again near identical. (There is always a slight amount of "noise" in a plot, but most points would be within 0.01 density units of a reference, or sometimes maybe 0.02. As I recall; I'm going by a somewhat fuzzy memory now.)

So, my faith in all the so-called experts whose writing I had previously trusted was completely lost. All I could conclude was that they had never done the tests, just presuming what they said was true.

I found, multiple times over the years, that other certain parts of the common wisdom were also wrong.

Now, it's possible that the motion picture part of the business (in your wheel house) has greater variations in their film production. But if you are seeing significant variation, and it is a professional Kodak product, my guess would be that either the processing was not consistent enough, or perhaps the lighting varied. I will say, that in our lab, we had extraordinarily good "process control." I was the QC manager for a number of years, staff of about 5 or 6 people, including a full-time chemist. We oversaw most aspects of the chemical mix operation and process control, and I was intimately familiar with most aspects of that.

I can't say anything for certain about other films than the ones I specifically described, but in those cases I'm certain - the film was extremely consistent.
 

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I am just deducting this from what I am reading in forums like this one. Many people believe film does something "organic" or "warm" or or or, whereas "digital" is often framed as something less desirable, "cold", "sterile" etc. Then the "alchemy" of the darkroom, handling liquids and chemicals instead of software.

But I could be wrong.

Is is all IMHO:
 
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Maybe we can agree that many people like to use colour film because of the somewhat unpredictable results - or the mere idea that results could be unpredictable?

No, not universally. There is no unpredictability about using film when you are armed with knowledge and experience, and that's what is missing with so very many users of film (many, meaning ... well, there must be a lot with this much-vaunted 'analogue renaissance'!)— these users blithely 'machine-gun' away frame after frame with their camera on all auto or "P for Professional", and wonder why things didn't turn out the way they imagined. Everybody knows what happens when film is exposed; not so many know the 'how and why' of things going pear-shaped. And from there it is the start of a slippery slope of progressively less interest, assuming film is "too hard" or "the camera isn't working well"... when the real problem is a lack of methodical approach by the user to learning from error, recording things as they move along and actively (doggedly) learning from the mistakes. They just do not do this in the old ways that we knew and practiced so well as professionals.

As for cameras, I would very rarely let any of them make decisions for me, irrespective of how straightforward of difficult the scene is.
 

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in my experience, I know what Kodak Color Plus, Gold, Ultramax, Ektar, 500T (in various disguises) and the Portra films will do. They seem pretty darned reliable in that each batch down the years performs the same. Or in the case of Color Plus, within a very narrow set of parameters.

Now, Phoenix is interesting because it is an unpredictable beast - at least until I've shot enough to determine how it works for me.

Anyway...it's all fun. And I do get different "looks" compared to digital. But then I recently had to have my favourite Tamron 28-300 lens which I use on my DSLR repaired and used the Nikon kit 35-70 for a couple of weeks...and there's no doubt that the Nikon lens with exactly the same settings on the camera produces images that tend to the red/brown.
 

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I am just deducting this from what I am reading in forums like this one. Many people believe film does something "organic" or "warm" or or or, whereas "digital" is often framed as something less desirable, "cold", "sterile" etc. Then the "alchemy" of the darkroom, handling liquids and chemicals instead of software.

But I could be wrong.

Is is all IMHO:

You are correct. Many believe that slide film tends to look more digital. I personally don't like the rendering of most digital cameras, but have been shooting slide film most of my life quite happily.

My main choice in digital cameras renders much like Ektachrome does with a slightly warmer filter than the "neutral" KR1.5.

That camera is the Nikon D2x.
 
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You are correct. Many believe that slide film tends to look more digital. I personally don't like the rendering of most digital cameras, but have been shooting slide film most of my life quite happily.

My main choice in digital cameras renders much like Ektachrome does with a slightly warmer filter than the "neutral" KR1.5.

That camera is the Nikon D2x.

Slide film tends to be more smoothe and less sharp, maybe due to the way I scan. (Epson V600).
 
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Slide film tends to be more smoothe and less sharp, maybe due to the way I scan. (Epson V600).

For me, the real attraction of colour transparency film is viewing it (in my case MF 120 6x6 cm stereo pairs) in an optical viewer ... even the most mundane scene looks stunning. Of course, one can only share this in person with someone!
 
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