Yep. But why is this simple explanation so difficult for people to understand and appreciate?
I still put much more emphasis on the quality of the subject of the photograph than how it is photographed or printed.
The answer is in the film workflow and aesthetic which cannot be duplicated digitally.
Get a clue:
Steven Spielberg's upcoming 2026 film, currently titled "The Dish," is the latest big Spielberg movie that is expected to be shot on film,
A movie.
And: You think Spielberg fiddles in the darkroom and then goes on some internet forum to debate the pros and cons of Rodinol?
I remain on the view that analog workflow is now predominantly a hobbiyst thing (nothing wrong with that), especially when finddling in the lab ( and posting about it ) is a key part of it.
Dont nail me on the definition
There are also plenty of amateurs who are obsessed with the picture while putting technique at a secondary (or tertiary) spot, and pros who just won't stop (for the love of Dog) talking about equipment.I beliebe the "pros" are obsessed with getting the right picture, whereas a hobbyist often prefers to debate minor technical details with his (virtual) neighbours
Well, by "pro" I referred to professional photographers for whom photography is more or less the primary means of generating income etc. Dont nail me on the definition as my mother tongue is not English.
I beliebe the "pros" are obsessed with getting the right picture, whereas a hobbyist often prefers to debate minor technical details with his (virtual) neighbours, with an element of performance (e.g. in an urban setting with a Japanese TLR around his neck).
Back in the day when professional photographers only had film, I can assure you that the discussions about technical details were common, and energetic.
The major difference being, of course, that they were either face to face or on the telephone.
And of course, sometimes via exchange of mailed letters.
If sales of RA-4 paper drops under the threshold that it’s no longer profitable to make the stuff than maybe it will mark the end of pure analog color photography. In my opinion that will be in a not so far future.
Why do people love corks instead of screw-caps, when it comes to wine bottles?
Why do hobby chefs use expensive Japanese knives which no pro would ever use in the daily grind of a gourmet restaurant?
Because they love them, irrationally.
I will take an educated guess and say that in this forum, probably 60-70% are hobbyists. People who can play with cameras to enjoy themselves. Let them have their fun; their preferences are likely to be different from people who have to earn money with cameras.
It is happening now.
Having a partner who has a set of Japanese knives (she grew up in Japan and trained as a chef for a time) I can actually see the point....once one has had basic instruction in how to use them. The best technique is very different to that for using a Western chef's knife. As a hobby cook too, I just have a few good Western knives. But if I were to start doing more Japanese cooking, I'd consider a Japanese knife or two. Especially for the delicate vegetable cutting...
the knife analogy again.....most people are happy with a phone camera. And a decent phone now does everything a 90s P&S film camera could do, and in some cases more. Most people don't understand why many of the likes of us have more than one camera and/or lens. Much in the same way that someone who has never learned to cook doesn't understand why an enthusiastic home cook has drawers of utensils.
Australia is one of the places where it'll disappear the first due to the logistics, which are not in favor for this product category.
Speaking of which, I think it depends a lot what kind of professional photographer you're talking about. I think that what @dcy said may hold true for some/many photographers who commercially shoot products, food, perhaps fashion (although there's a lot of creativity and experimentation going on in that segment), documentary, journalism etc. Then again, there'll be lots of exceptions as well as lots of niches within the established areas where people are working in a more free manner.
I'm not sure I see the logic there.
It is much easier to obtain Fuji products (Film and Paper) in Australia due to geographic proximity.
I can fly a return trip to Japan to pick some up for less than $400 if I wish and spend some time sightseeing while I'm there.
Fuji RA4 paper is exclusively made in Europe. Only a few niche products like Flex are made in Japan, but these constitute a vanishingly small segment of the already small RA4 market.It is much easier to obtain Fuji products (Film and Paper) in Australia due to geographic proximity.
Which this isn't; see above.Japanese products.
OK, I see what you mean, but in my mind this discussion is about still photography. While there are obviously similarities, the differences are too big to ignore. This also relates very specifically to specialization of labor, which has major implications for how people relate to their profession at an individual level.The concrete example I was thinking of was the movie industry.
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