Why fuji across 100 was discontinued?

trendland · Apr 25, 2019

marciofs said:
Despite the price it has a clean look and a low reciprocity failure than many long exposure photographers like. I had the impression it has always sold well. So why they discontinued?

There are some thesis to discontinuation procedures of Fuji! A couple of them are from
Trendland! There is no official statement from Fuji what is right !

!

with regards

PS : Same thoughts from my side ( this film must had good sellings) but like a couple
of other films (just for example : Sensia ) it is strange to tell the people allways the same story :
Discontinued because of low demand

?

PPS : Crazy Japanese Chairholder Value Decision = C.J.C.V.D.!

trendland · Apr 25, 2019

silveror0 said:
The law of profit-making:
As the demand for film goes down, the price of film goes up.
As the demand for film goes up, the price of film goes up.
As the film's raw materials cost goes up, the price of film goes up.
As the film's raw materials availability goes down, the price of film goes up.
As the film's price no longer creates profit, the film goes bye-bye.
What more is there to know?

To brake that rule normal market economy set a standard : competition rules !
But (thats right what you stated)
1) we have no market with films any longer!
2) we have no competitors any longer
3) like in a monopolic structure a player can play his play !

with regards

trendland · Apr 25, 2019

1kgcoffee said:
Acros is a wonderful film, but considering how much competition there was - tmax, Delta, Adox, etc, and declining profits it did make sense to slash it from a financial perspective. They probably have employees aging out and it is all a part of their master plan to exit film. Nobody knows what happens behind the gate of the chocolate factory but don't be surprised to see the rest of their films get axed soon. Stock up on slide and colour negative is you like it.

Guess Fuji made much more profit from simple selling the Acros (with latest pricing)
then Adox is able to invest in new technics!!!
And ADOX do invest next !

with regards

trendland · Apr 25, 2019

Agulliver said:
The available evidence suggests that Fuji are unable to downsize their film production...when they do a coating run it's a big run or nothing. Kodak have stated that the process to reintroduce Ektachrome involved making some changes which have resulted in them having the ability to do shorter runs...thus making both Ektachrome and P3200 viable again. Part of Ferrania's plan for long term production also involves flexibility in terms of how much film they produce at any given time.

Fuji were probably just not selling enough Acros to use up whatever quantity they need to produce before it expired. While Acros may well have had unique properties there are a lot of medium speed B&W films out there.

Let's better say Fuji had restructured complete company from business model ! And from this
(like other companys allways do) some colateral damage is normal going!
Here all films are for disposition - A good guess for the next victim ? Any idea ?

Any idea?.......?.........?

with regards

PS : I stated it (2017 if I remember correct?) ! Some did not like to hear!
But I stated : Fuji is going to kill their whole E6 films! Fuji is also going to kill their whole film
portfolio! But friends excuse me I was wrong! What I stated was not the true - sorry for that!
Mea Culpa folks - I did state it totally wrong !!

with regards

PS : Because I could not imagine that Fuji will

Slaughter their complete film devision!

PPS : And the difference is : if you are killing a company it mostly have a reason (Agfa for example
suicided from management misscalculations)
But to slaughter here means to kill someone alive = canibalize before killing!
Because a 30% price increasement (to sugest the people : ceep calm folks it is going on then)
twice a year is a crime for the background of Fuji's true intention!

GLS · Apr 25, 2019

Their E6 products will be the last to go, because they are virtually unchallenged in that sector.

My guess is 400H will be next on the chopping block.

faberryman · Apr 25, 2019

GLS said:
Their E6 products will be the last to go, because they are virtually unchallenged in that sector. My guess is 400H will be next on the chopping block.

It may depend on which film they run out of first.

Agulliver · Apr 25, 2019

Adox also have the ability to produce smaller batches of film/master rolls than Fuji are. Ergo Adox's ability to survive in the shrunken market is better. Fuji, being Japanese, just aren't open and transparent about their decisions in this area. It's a cultural thing we pretty much have to accept.

If you want to continue using Fuji film....buy it.

Lachlan Young · Apr 25, 2019

GLS said:
Their E6 products will be the last to go, because they are virtually unchallenged in that sector.

My guess is 400H will be next on the chopping block.

Unlikely - I heard from someone who has a sufficiently close relationship with the manufacturers to be told this sort of stuff - that some of the Fuji negative products were at sales levels not seen for 20 years. Obviously, they've withdrawn so many products that it has concentrated sales, but they potentially need to sell 3-5+ miles of each product to make a coating run worthwhile. Kodak & Ilford have learnt how to scale products down to their minimum coating length (1 mile) - and Adox etc have the benefit of a narrower web making the 1 mile minimum coating even more usefully scalable.

faberryman · Apr 25, 2019

Agulliver said:
Adox also have the ability to produce smaller batches of film/master rolls than Fuji are. Ergo Adox's ability to survive in the shrunken market is better. Fuji, being Japanese, just aren't open and transparent about their decisions in this area. It's a cultural thing we pretty much have to accept.

If you want to continue using Fuji film....buy it.

Does Adox make color film?

Agulliver · Apr 26, 2019

faberryman said:
Does Adox make color film?

Not that I am aware of. I fail to see the relevance. If you want Fuji to continue making film....buy Fuji film. It's the only practical thing any of us can do. Appealing to Fuji, complaining and wringing our collective hands won't help.

Lachlan Young · Apr 26, 2019

faberryman said:
Does Adox make color film?

They have said they potentially could - if necessary. Ilfochrome was latterly a 17 layer construction & the coater in Berlin is ex-Agfa, so both could potentially be used for colour products. Really more a question of how many machine passes would be needed & the availability of the relevant emulsion making experience.

Prest_400 · Apr 26, 2019

400H seems to be a good seller and is a staple of wedding and editorial. 160NS was made even in 220 a couple years ago but now IIRC is discontinued.

Lachlan Young said:
Unlikely - I heard from someone who has a sufficiently close relationship with the manufacturers to be told this sort of stuff - that some of the Fuji negative products were at sales levels not seen for 20 years.

That is interesting. Indeed unlike other manufacturers Fuji seems uncannily mysterious in how they are managing the smaller market and scaling.

Adox said they can make color but all that know how and supply of components is very complex and they say that would be far from what Kodak or Fuji produce. And even if they can access Agfa knowledge, it may not be that useful at this stage.

Tom Kershaw · Apr 26, 2019

Prest_400 said:
Adox said they can make color but all that know how and supply of components is very complex and they say that would be far from what Kodak or Fuji produce. And even if they can access Agfa knowledge, it may not be that useful at this stage.

Add to that more general manpower, financial, and time considerations. I'm simply impressed at the moment with what ADOX are managing to produce.

Tom

Lachlan Young · May 3, 2019

This might be relevant/ interesting to those wondering what Fuji is up to as regards the rumoured new BW film.

mooseontheloose · May 4, 2019

Lachlan Young said:
This might be relevant/ interesting to those wondering what Fuji is up to as regards the rumoured new BW film.

I’d rather they bring back Acros, but any new film would be welcome.

Lachlan Young · May 4, 2019

mooseontheloose said:
I’d rather they bring back Acros, but any new film would be welcome.

I'd like to see something like Neopan SSS - a 200 speed film would neatly fill a gap in the market, especially if it had Acros' colour sensitivity.

macfred · May 4, 2019

I would like to see the Neopan 400 / 120 back (not the 400CN which is another of my favourite films; discontinued but still available in the UK = same as Ilford's XP2).

Sirius Glass · May 4, 2019

Because I was not shooting enough of it.

Hekoru · May 10, 2019

I walked past Roppongi Midtown the other day, where there's a big Fuji showcase/gallery space. They had a sign in the window stating that they are considering releasing a new B&W film, so who knows. Maybe NEOPAN 400 comes back from the death?

pentaxuser · May 10, 2019

I may be naive and if I recall, albeit rather vaguely there may be a problem with the acceptability or supply of some ingredients but it would surely make sense to resurrect one film at least initially that they have experience of making and I'd have thought that that film for the majority of buyers would be 400 Neopan in both 35mm and 120 in terms of general sales?

pentaxuser

GLS · May 10, 2019

The last thing we need is yet another ISO400 B&W film.

Filling a gap in the market (ISO 200/800/1600) makes much more sense.

Tom Kershaw · May 10, 2019

GLS said:
The last thing we need is yet another ISO400 B&W film.

Filling a gap in the market (ISO 200/800/1600) makes much more sense.

Agreed. Kodak TMY-2 is an incredible product and there are plenty of less expensive options as well.

Andrew O'Neill · May 10, 2019

Sirius Glass said:
Because I was not shooting enough of it.

Me neither!

warden · May 10, 2019

GLS said:
The last thing we need is yet another ISO400 B&W film.

I think it's probably more about what Fuji needs at this point.

pentaxuser · May 10, 2019

Tom Kershaw said:
Agreed. Kodak TMY-2 is an incredible product and there are plenty of less expensive options as well.

You might be right but the resurrection of Neopan 400, once an existing film, might be easier than devising a new 200 or 800. OK there was once a 1600 as well but I wonder whether the market for such remains big enough to justify the investment.

Just my opinion of course, not the definitely correct and only possible course of action.

pentaxuser

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