I have 2 Canon F 1n's and 2 Canon New F1- AE's I have been shooting with for more than 25 years, and I have never found any significant difference in the build quality
All of that changed when Canon made the bold decision to throw FD under the bus in favor of a clean-sheet new AF mount with EOS. Practically overnight, the superiority of Canon's in-lens AF coupled with the optical performance of their EF "L" 300mm f/2.8 blew Nikon out of the water.
I got another theory which has nothing to do with technical features or rarity: FM3A appeals to a younger audience who may have lusted after one in their youth, and who can now finally have one of their own, 15 years since it disappeared from shops. Nikon borrowed heavily upon the FM3A's styling for their Zfc mirrorless camera, and look who they are targeting now:Ah, but remember the FM3A is out in Nikon La La Exotic Land along with the FM2T, so asking/selling prices can't be logically compared with garden-variety cameras of any make or model (unless its another goofball low-volume esoteric). The FM3A sells for a princely sum primarily because its a fairly rare (thus collectible) camera with the scarce, cult-y (and again highly collectible) feature of AE electro-mechanical shutter thats fully operational at all speeds with or without battery.
Focusing doesn't bother me much, but changing lenses does, for some reason...
For me, it isn't Nikon vs. Canon. It's Nikon and Canon (and many others).
They are that different eh.?Its a subjective impression: some people notice, most don't. Speaking only for myself, the original mechanical Canon F-1 gave the impression of being a step above every other SLR in fit and finish, notably better than the Nikon F and even a bit above the Nikon F2. The later electromechanical F-1 New was also very well built, but didn't blow me away like the older F-1. The Canon F-1 New feels (to me) about the same as the Nikon F-3: still nice, but a shade below the first Canon F-1 and the Nikon F-2. This is almost to be expected, as global economic forces and surging volume of camera sales in 1979 led to different efficiency-centered methods of camera mfrg that lost some of the "hand made billet" appeal of the older models.
I feel old now. But anyways, celebs and richies do it with Leicas.What? Is anybody seriously concerned about making a fashion statement with a ~40 year old Nikon or Canon ?
Don't be ridiculous!
Sigh, it's not jewelry.
What?
Is anybody seriously concerned about making a fashion statement with a ~40 year old Nikon or Canon ?
Don't be ridiculous!
Sigh, it's not jewelry.
Those old breech mount FD lenses are a thing of beauty of me. I have a few of them in my collection.
The fat chrome/black pre-AI 50mm f/1.4 Nikkor-S looks fantastic on all pre-1975 Nikon/Nikkormats and is pretty common / easy / affordable to obtain: there's millions of 'em out there. Find a cheap one with crummy glass just for display at home when not actively shooting your Nikon: you'll thank me every time you look at it.
Photographers who weren't around in that era and old enough to be interested in cameras really have no conception of the emotional headlock Nikon's F and esp F2 had on the imaginations of 35mm SLR buyers: they were THE aspirational SLR cameras of the early to mid 1970s, period, no credible competitors whatsoever. Amateurs were so desperate to be associated with Nikon, even their idiotic strategy of naming their non-pro cameras "Nikkormat" (WTH?) saddled with severely cropped off-center viewfinders succeeded wildly. The only thing more common than protests on college campuses in the '70s were the student-wielded Nikkormats documenting them.
This is a touch hyperbolic. I was around in those days and old enough to be interested in cameras. Had you given me $250 to spend on an SLR in 1974 I would have grabbed an OM-1 without hesitation. I thought the Nikkormat FTn was a dog, the klutziest of the midrange SLRs offered by the leading vendors at the time. Had the OM-1 not been available, I would have taken an FTb or an SR-T101 or even a Spotmatic F over the Nikkormat. No F2 halo effect whatsoever.
I forgot..........i have a speed-finder for my F-1 New. I just slipped it on.
My first camera was an AE-1. Circa 1978.My remarks about the Nikon F2 halo effect were meant to be specifically referring to the OP question of why the Canon F-1 didn't become as popular as it should have: my point was Nikon had a lock on the market of amateurs who could afford a $450 SLR that Canon was unable to lure away in any significant numbers. The Canon sold well to pros but didn't reach critical mass with well-heeled amateurs. Of the 880,000 F2 cameras Nikon sold, at least half went to non-pros who perpetuated a mystique, and those F2s flood the used marketplace to this day. The Canon F-1 didn't have that volume of sales and never developed iconic status among amateurs: it remained a well-respected professional tool with little mass market recognition.
I agree with your points about the popularity or advantages of Olympus OM-1, Minolta SRT and Pentax Spotmatic over the Nikkormat: of course these were the bread and butter of camera stores, outselling the pro Canons and Nikons by an order of magnitude. The OM-1 was probably the most well-conceived, jewel like cameras of the '70s: I begged my father to buy me one for my 16th birthday and was shocked that he agreed to let me pay off the $240 cost bit by bit. Wonderful camera, totally lived up to its rep as the "Leica M3 of SLRs". But it didn't begin picking off Nikkormat sales in earnest until 1974-1975, by which time it was eating heavily into SRT and Spotmatic - KM - KX sales as well.
That period came a couple years after the introduction of the Canon F-1 and the peak of the Nikkormat, which is the era I was speaking of (1970-1973) when I said the F/F2 had massive name recognition and Nikkormat dominated college campuses. Canon faced immense headwinds introducing the all-new F-1 and FD system into that environment: the Nikon F was still top of the heap, the F2 was the new glamour magnet, and Nikon/EPOI savagely undercut other mfrs by offering steep discounts on Nikkormats to students (lowering the cost to below a Spotmatic or SRT). The Nikkormat may have been a clunky dog vs SRT or Spotmatic, but Nikon snared the college kids early then had them for a lifetime.
It took Olympus to break that logjam and shake up the industry (including students), but the OM-1 tornado didn't hit full force until '74. Between its failure to siphon off the wealthy amateur market from Nikon with the F-1, and shock at the success of Olympus OM, Canon regrouped and bet all its chips on the AE-1 stealth bomb for 1976. The AE-1 took the market by storm based on price and sexy automation, but the pro F-1 stubbornly remained a non-starter in the rich mans toy segment still owned by Nikon with the F2S. At least Canon had ensured Nikon would never again get a restful nights sleep in the volume mid-price segment: the once-lucrative Nikkormat was getting killed on one end by the tiny lightweight Olympus OM-1, and the other by the sexy electronic whiz-bang AE-1. The FM helped a little against the OM-1 but Nikon took way too long to introduce its automatic sister the FE (which Canon then blunted with its super computerized A-1 step-up from AE-1). Finally, we had a real streetfight between titans.
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