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Yep. Or disappointment. But if I lucky, I could extract what I pre-visualized through struggle and hard work after the shot is taken.And what about post-visualization ... The great disillusionment thereafter ?
it all seems like nonsense.Right, but I'm sorry, Minor White's term is nonsense
maybe .. not sure never knew or talked to himPerhaps he simply thought pre-visualization was a thing.
I missed it until you brought it up!A visual pun! So fitting!
Could you give us a short rundown of the main points in Mortensen?2 books from my photography book collection. Adams book I studied in college. After 30+ years practicing photography using the Zone System, I bought Mortensen’s book. 30 years ago, I was a wide-eyed photography student. Now, I'm just as curious about photography. One book is not better than the other. Just different. Mortensen's book is a lot harder to fine than Ansel Adam's book.View attachment 266077
And as always, it depends on one's POV.It was actually Mortensen Next to The Negative
I got the book on eBay a couple of weeks ago. I’m better versed with Adams. From what I read so far, both have the same foundations of exposure and development in producing negatives. I think there are only differences in aesthetic philosophy. Mortensen mentions film developed to “gamma infinity". Film developed long as possible. I think today, this means stand or semi-stand development. I'm sure there are limitations with both. For me, Learning both allows more options, depending what I want. I think both are views are valid.Could you give us a short rundown of the main points in Mortensen.
I got the book on eBay a couple of weeks ago. I’m better versed with Adams. From what I read so far, both have the same foundations of exposure and development in producing negatives. I think there are only differences in aesthetic philosophy. Mortensen mentions film developed to “gamma infinity". Film developed long as possible. I think today, this means stand or semi-stand development. I'm sure there are limitations with both. For me, Learning both allows more options, depending what I want. I think both are views are valid.
I've only done stand a couple times and am no expert on it, but I think the main goal in using it are "edge effects" not gamma infinity. I don't think these are equivalent at all, but will leave that to the techies to debate
Thanks Maine.I got the book on eBay a couple of weeks ago. I’m better versed with Adams. From what I read so far, both have the same foundations of exposure and development in producing negatives. I think there are only differences in aesthetic philosophy. Mortensen mentions film developed to “gamma infinity". Film developed long as possible. I think today, this means stand or semi-stand development. I'm sure there are limitations with both. For me, Learning both allows more options, depending what I want. I think both are views are valid.
I really don't know if he made himself the authority or his followers. I've met photographers think he is God and hang on his every word in his books. I'm not one of them. To me, it's form of fundamentalism and doesn't allow a dissent or the voice of the photographer in the work. I had a college photo professor that was a total slave to the Zone System. He'd shoot 35mm and have one "N" camera, one N+ camera and one N- camera.Thanks Maine.
Ansel had a way of making himself into THE authority on anything. Even if he only dabbled.
His peice on flash-use is borderline embarrassing.
It’s a dynamic relationship.I really don't know if he made himself the authority or his followers. I've met photographers think he is God and hang on his every word in his books. I'm not one of them. To me, it's form of fundamentalism and doesn't allow a dissent or the voice of the photographer in the work. I had a college photo professor that was a total slave to the Zone System. He'd shoot 35mm and have one "N" camera, one N+ camera and one N- camera.
https://archive.org/details/cameracraft441937phot/page/206/mode/2up
This article was written a few years before "Mortensen on the Negative"
See eg, p208, exposure for the light areas and development to gamma infinity, p211 using "projection control" [enlarging] the dark area can be printed in.
And a few swipes at the technicians maybe including the f64 group.
I have film that wasn't processed for 12 hours but its bullet proof none the less, and its made some of the most beautiful contact prints I have printed. they were't on azo but were made with my 300RW azo printing bulb... Kodak polymax rc paper 15 second exposures.. my scanner doesn't like many films processed denser than medium-rare.It developed the negative completely and made a nice Azo contact print, but my scanner really struggled with it.
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