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It says you haven't answered my question. Does the purpose of the creator have any bearing on whether it can be defined as art?What does that say?
I say it was a hand made decorated weapon that has been taken out of its original context as a tool of defense and killing and you have decided it is art. It doesn’t say much more than that.. like a mirror found in King Tut’s Tomb. Sure it’s art it’s in a museum but it’s just a an ornate gold mirror and was not made to be a shelf queen.What does that say
Drew- Do you believe the cave paintings at Lascaux were done to decorate the caves or, more likely, as a celebration of a successful hunt, a rite to assure a successful hunt, or some other quasi-religious purpose?
Of course you do DREW. You have a long history of making comments and knowing all sorts of important people... but “art” did not exist before people started to label things as "art". People made things for 50,000 years not saying they didn’t .. but art has no use, no purpose other than to be art.. knives tools baskets clothes dwellings &c. Now they are called art but when they were made they weren’t.. a basket was a basket... a whale hunting helmet is a whale hunting helmet... but out of context these things are art because some old white guy in 1830 said so.jnantz - I grew up with native Americans (Indians), and knew a few who themselves grew up before any white contact. Childhood pals of mine now run schools teaching aboriginal dialects, and have museums of their own. You're arguing with the wrong guy.
Are you capable of a rational, respectful discussion?If you were to tell that to a troglodyte, you would have gotten your head split open with a club. Troglodytes did not take kindly to such trash talk. jnantz is old enough to know that.
Are you capable of a rational, respectful discussion?
... or, at least, to ARTifact status.I think the items like cave paintings, fertility statues, and soapstone knives were made as ceremonial items by their creators. It's us, as modern man, that has elevated them to "art" status.
You've called him a troll more than once in this thread. His long time participation on this site says otherwise.I did not call jnantz a troglodyte.
I doubt your teacher would have failed me LOLPlus in the archeology class I took, the professor would have either flunked you or failed you or both.
Are you capable of a rational, respectful discussion?
I believe you're onto something... I think modern humans look to connect to our primeval relatives in ways which make sense to our more "evolved" selves.... or, at least, to ARTifact status.
Maybe it was only graffiti? Someone looking for immortality.Drew- Do you believe the cave paintings at Lascaux were done to decorate the caves or, more likely, as a celebration of a successful hunt, a rite to assure a successful hunt, or some other quasi-religious purpose?
It is hard enough to know the intentions of the driver facing you in the intersection who doesn't have their turn signal on!Its kind of hard to know the intentions of people long dead.
It is hard enough to know the intentions of the driver facing you in the intersection who doesn't have their turn signal on!
+1....Where's the "Lik" button?!!!Nah, it’s all graffiti compared with Lik. THAT is art.
Hi Alan - certainly not graffiti, nor anything casual. Whoever first came up with that W European cave painting style had to be the greatest visual genius in human history. That style lasted at least 25,0000 year (roughly 40,000 to 15,000 yrs ago), and was remarkably sophisticated. Of course, people will continue to speculate and debate concerning its nuances.
If you want seemingly random scratch marks instead, there's a set of them I've been intermittently studying for many years out in the central Nevada desert. This past time I spotted a particularly nice lighting angle in an esthetic sense to photograph part of them. To bring out the detail better against the reddish rock, I used a deep green contrast filter, then further enhanced the contrast printing on VC paper. When studying the print, all kinds of fine detail was evident in the enlargement that I hadn't noticed before, and I finally figured out what it all meant. It was basically a regional map showing where to place fish traps when they began seasonly migrating upstream from the desert lake marshes. Opposite that particular rock is another set with an already recognized solar or seasonal calendar using predictable sun angle symbols as well as shaman figures. It all finally made sense : when and where to go fishing in limited desert streams.
maybe the Keith Haring or Banksy of his / her time?Maybe it was only graffiti? Someone looking for immortality.
Drew- Do you believe the cave paintings at Lascaux were done to decorate the caves or, more likely, as a celebration of a successful hunt, a rite to assure a successful hunt, or some other quasi-religious purpose?
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