Why do people show their photographs to other people?

gr82bart said:

It's interesting to note some thoughts here when someone does not show their work

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gr82bart said:

Is there not anything positive in not showing one's work to others?

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Everyone has in their mind a subconscious model of the world, created from their life experiences (and possibly genetically influenced, I don't know), that is unique to them. This model, or personal map, dictates our "normal" behaviour. If you're self aware, and understand that your model is not reality (just your perception of reality), then you can challenge it and choose to think and act differently. But it is really hard to understand someone else's model because when they try to explain it, it gets filtered by their conscious mind and simplified by their choice of language; and then it gets re-filtered by our understanding of the words they've used and our own mental model (which, of course, is different from theirs). So, for example, many extraverts just "don't get" introverts and vice versa.

I find your question fascinating Art because, having read the thread, I've realised that there's group of people out there who have a very different model to mine. I show my photographs because I have to. I think partly that's to get affirmation from others, partly because people ask me to, but mostly it's because photography is emotionally really important to me and I believe people can't understand me properly unless they see my pictures. I also find that other photographers' opinions are really helpful in developing my technique - even when I disagree with them

But clearly many people get complete satisfaction from keeping their personal work personal. I don't understand this (my model is diferent), but I respect it. And there must be something positive in it otherwise so many people wouldn't do it. And I'd like to understand it better.

So, those of you who keep your personal work personal, what is it in your approach that gives you your pleasure? And what makes you keep going? I assume it's not the adoration of others: perhaps it's the discovery before you create the photo, or is it the process of taking and printing the photo that's important, or maybe just knowing your final print is your best work is sufficient? And how does that make you feel?

Ian Leake said:

So, those of you who keep your personal work personal, what is it in your approach that gives you your pleasure? And what makes you keep going?

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Dear Ian,

Thanks for a fascinating post, the best in the whole thread so far as I am concerned. My world-picture is the same as yours; I'm really looking forward to the answers from the people who DON'T show their work.

Cherrs,

R.

Ian Leake said:

Everyone has in their mind a subconscious model of the world, ...

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True. Well said, and something we should always remember.

So, those of you who keep your personal work personal, what is it in your approach that gives you your pleasure? And what makes you keep going? I assume it's not the adoration of others: perhaps it's the discovery before you create the photo, or is it the process of taking and printing the photo that's important, or maybe just knowing your final print is your best work is sufficient? And how does that make you feel?

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Some of my work is kept "personal". Most will fall into the category of "To Be Shared". Other than the "commercial" work, it is ALL done because *I* want to do it.
I have quit trying to "justify" any of the ... "Fine Art" work (trying NOT to sound pompous, here ...) that I do; none of it really makes sense in the cold, hard light of reason. It is something like Flycasting - if you consider paying $1543.09 per ounce of Rainbow trout (excluding time and labor) reasonable - all well and good. Otherwise, I do it simply because I want to.

What gives me pleasure/ keeps me going? I wish I knew. Discovering that, and, with the knowledge that I am not terribly different from anyone else, I could assume the role of the world's Greatest Motivational Guru; and make enough money to really AFFORD photography.

"Adoration" of others? - I think "adoration" is somewhat too intense. "Approval" would seem to be more appropriate. That is not a major - or even significant factor. Admittedly, a "kick" when it happens ... but not a cause for weeping and wailing if it does not.

"Discovery of..? - and add "capture" - Closer, but still, not all-inclusive.

"Knowing that it is my best work? ... ??? "Best" is an absolute ... and, to me, choosing that which is "best" is a lot like choosing between my children. I don't know which is my "best" ... nor do I think I ever will, nor do I think anyone else can tell me that. In truth, I am never "satisfied" with any of it ... At some point, I'll arbitrarily stop trying to improve an image and move on.

A LOT like Scot's Whisky - there is no "good" OR 'bad" - some of it is simply better than others.

Now - the big one: "How does it make me feel?" Along the same general idea of "Scot's Whisky: I feel better doing photography that I do when I am NOT doing photography.

My experience of Scott's whiskey is there is definately good and bad. And it all makes me feel somewhere between poor and very poorly.

But then just like photography, experiences are personal and as varied as the roads between my house and the Urewera's.

I liked Ian's post also.

Ian Leake said:

So, those of you who keep your personal work personal, what is it in your approach that gives you your pleasure? And what makes you keep going?

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I don't show my work, except to post the odd photo here and there online. My reasons? Varied.

First, showing work takes effort. I find taking pictures and reviewing them in private to be a more rewarding use of my time.

Second, when I have shown work I rarely get feedback that helps me photographically. That's true of praise and criticism alike. The exceptions are thrilling, but rare enough that I have little expectation of them in advance.

Third, and now we're getting personal, I am trying to get away from my didactic streak and just see. I feel I am doing that when I take and look at photos for myself, but if I start thinking about showing them to others my urge to lecture, to explain, to over-determine, starts to take hold. Thinking about building a body of work to show to others as a body of work usually ends up with me making boring, predictable photos as I try to fill in the percieved gaps. I grow more if I take an experimental approach and select what happens to turn up after the fact.

Finally, I have enough photographic ambition that I want any show to be a show: a coherent body of work that says more than 'I saw all this stuff and thought it was cool at the time.' My experience is that people are far more convinced by a whole argument than by a work in progress, and I want to be convincing.

Masterbation? Maybe. It's my life.


PS: who is this Scot(t), and why does he share his whisky so freely?

Struan Gray said:

PS: who is this Scot(t), and why does he share his whisky so freely?

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I was wondering that. To be pedantic, I think it should be "Scots" or "Scotch" whisky.

Ian Leake said:

I find your question fascinating Art because, having read the thread, I've realised that there's group of people out there who have a very different model to mine. I show my photographs because I have to. I think partly that's to get affirmation from others, partly because people ask me to, but mostly it's because photography is emotionally really important to me and I believe people can't understand me properly unless they see my pictures. I also find that other photographers' opinions are really helpful in developing my technique - even when I disagree with them

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I think you have helped me to understand something about myself. I make photographs because I have to, and I show them to others because I have to. It's as if you have something pent up inside you that you have to get out, and you have to show it to the world, even if the world just ignores it. It's an existencial statement: I am, therefore I photograph; and therefore I show my photographs to prove to others that I am alive. I have learned from this experience that few will understand or appreciate my work. But every now and then, somebody will see something in one of my photographs and they will say, "wow, I never saw this thing that way before."
And that makes it all worthwhile.

Interesting thread!! ... Nearly enough to overload a soul-searching introvert!

I do not think that the boundaries described here are anything like clean-cut.

Sometimes, I will be motivated by an addiction-like inner "force"; I HAVE to take that photograph - at others, it will be a less intense desire to capture something beautiful. Very rarely will there be the element of, "This wll gain critical acclaim when exhibited."
Without exception, there will ALWAYS be the search for those who "see things they way I do" - share something of MY vision. Not many do, really, but that is to be expected.

That leads me to another question... How often do those who paticipate here FIND those who share the same emotional reaction (or greater) to their work?

In explanation...
In being exposed - experiencing other's works - and my own... visiting Galleries and Exhibiting, I have concluded that all work can be categorized
(remember: diffuse boundaries) in one of three areas:"

1. The work that I don't understand... where I can't decode the "message." Not a value judgement - more of an indication that my limits of appreciation are not sufficiently "wide" enough to "receive" the artist's energy.

2. "Masterful", well crafted work - Following all the general rules and conventions of composition, contrast, lighting - whatever; the work that wins Camera Club competitions. Usually somewhat unemotional. Examples are the photographs found on the walls of the local Bank - or on Living Room Walls.

3. That which "Enraptures". MOST important to me. The photograph that seizes your attention. The one that you find yourself returning to, again and again, at an exhibition... the one that you continue to see after you close your eyes... that has a profund emotional effect.

That Enrapturement has happened to me when experiencing the works of others; more rarely when I see some of my own work, either for the first time or when re-visiting. When it happens to others seeing my work - hard to describe - a sheer moment of BLISS, as far as I am concerned - a mini-success in finding a "Kindred Soul."

So that is my question - what do you think about this "enrapturement" - Has it happed to you, or those viewing you work - and if so, how often?

Ed Sukach said:

3. That which "Enraptures". MOST important to me. The photograph that seizes your attention. The one that you find yourself returning to, again and again, at an exhibition... the one that you continue to see after you close your eyes... that has a profund emotional effect.

That Enrapturement has happened to me when experiencing the works of others; more rarely when I see some of my own work, either for the first time or when re-visiting. When it happens to others seeing my work - hard to describe - a sheer moment of BLISS, as far as I am concerned - a mini-success in finding a "Kindred Soul."

So that is my question - what do you think about this "enrapturement" - Has it happed to you, or those viewing you work - and if so, how often?

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Yes, it has happened to me on several occasions, and every one was memorable. In photography, it happened when I saw this photograph by Manuel Alvarez Bravo in an exhibition at the MOMA:
http://masters-of-photography.com/A/alvarez_bravo/alvarez_bravo_eternal_full.html
I was absolutely frozen in my tracks, and literally could not move from in front of the picture. I returned to it twice before we had to leave the museum.
In music, it happened to me once when I was shooting a dance performance, and heard a young woman singing an aria so powerful that it moved me so much I actually put down my camera and stopped shooting; the first time in my life I have ever done that. I later got to know her and have done portraits of her. It was always difficult to concentrate on my work, because both she and her voice are so beautiful.
But such moments are rare. I don't know if anyone ever felt one while looking at one of my photos.

THE VERY FIRST THING that got me started thinking about photography was seeing heirlooms of my ancestors, I didn't no why at the time(5-10yrs old), but there was something about the pictures that brought out the best of people who I knew, and in the spirit of sharing/passing on/the retelling who came before, I became extremely interested in doing that same thing.

In terms of being enraptured/stuck in my tracks, that's happened to me several times, I saw an Andre Kertez shot of dancers frozen in mid-air, and I was dumbfounded, same thing looking at Weston's 'Summer Sunshine', and Steichen's shot of dancer in white dress which simply filled me w/awe.

Avedon giving class and elegance to a naked women and a snake, W. Eugene Smith's brilliance, Alvin Langdon Coburn's shot of Ezra Pound, and many others, extends the imagination as to what was possible, and with work that I truly admire, work that truly inspires, and you begin to understand, you see yourself climbing up the mountain to within looking distance to where they are, damn if you ever get to where they are, they're giving you a hand to move up the mountain.

Everybody is right, you can stay where you are and enjoy the view, or you can start climbing to see just how far up you can go.

Ed Sukach said:

That which "Enraptures". MOST important to me. The photograph that seizes your attention. The one that you find yourself returning to, again and again, at an exhibition... the one that you continue to see after you close your eyes... that has a profund emotional effect.

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Avedon's Girl in Bed on the Telephone in MoMA had that effect on me just last week. It wasn't that it was a beautiful photograph (although it is) or that it was particularly "better" than many others nearby (which it wasn't). It was because it mirrored a personal emotional connection for me, and said something to me that I couldn't have put into words before I saw it.

I've been told by someone that one of my photographs has a similar effect on them. The feeling that gives me is amazing. To think that I've created something which has such a positive effect on another person is so deeply rewarding.

This wasn't the reason I started to show people my photographs: I didn't even know this kind of reaction was possible. But it may well be a reason why I show more people more of my photographs nowadays.

I don't show my work and I have no desire to. I think it all originates in the reason to take a photograph in the first place. We all have different motivations and reasons to pick up a camera, so it makes sense that we have different uses for the final product.

In my case I mainly take photos of railways and the purpose is to capture a slice of time. To document the way something was done at a particular point in time, in the midst of change. I also build models, so it’s useful to have a documentary record of the way something was at a particular point in time, so that it can be accurately modeled.

To me, my photography is purely a documentary record, and probably quite boring to look at for someone who doesn't have the same interests as me. Consequently, I'm not looking for external validation; the photograph validates itself just by its existence.

Roger Hicks said:

Dear Ian,

Thanks for a fascinating post, the best in the whole thread so far as I am concerned. My world-picture is the same as yours; I'm really looking forward to the answers from the people who DON'T show their work.

Cherrs,

R.

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A long response... from someone who doesn't share

If you happen to come to my house and if you happen to wander upstairs in the relatively unused part of the house and if you happen to look at a collection of mostly historical B&W photgraphs representing scenes of a generally anthropological nature, you will find 2 of my own prints from negatives I made 30 years ago working on as an artifact photographer working on a large archaelogical project in South America. In fact, the only other print I have ever had shown was from that same work, and it is on my Gallery here on APUG as well. I guess I qualify as someone who does not show his prints.

But let me be specific. I did photographic work for hire... I was contracted by archaeologists to record (draw and photograph) artifacts and to photograph work on field projects, photograph museum show artifacts, etc., all for use in publications and class instruction... but that was not my own work. When working in the field, I would carry my own personal equipment and shoot my own film for my own pictures.

But since I went back to graduate school and then got a "real job" I have photographed strictly as an amateur. I have thousands of negatives and slides, most of which have never been seen by anyone but me. My wife looks over my shoulder once in a while... my son, who is a much better printer than I, culls through my work occasionally to find "something old" to print, but beyond that, the one picture I had in a student show in a gallery in New York back in 1981 is the sole print that I have shown.

Why? A whole lot of reasons (I liked the list made a few pages back):

1. I don't know how
2. As I commented on another thread, it takes me a year to create 4 or 5 images I am pleased with
3. I don't know how

I have just this past year become comfortable showing my pictures here in the gallery. I must say that I enjoy the feedback, but it is not a feeling I can sustain - - it passes quickly and it takes so much time to get to creating another picture that I can post. And I have not even posted all of what I consider my 4 or 5 best - - but some images that were part of the path of getting there.

But perhaps the biggest reason is that I'm scared. I am, probably, as George observed, my own harshest critic... I believe that to put your self out in the public eye, you need to look like you belong out there. I critique and cull my work to the point where I think that the 4 or 5 good ones from last year would look like they belong on the same wall (real or virtual) as those of others of you that I see posted here and on personal websites you all have. And every time I post a picture, I am scared that it will engender the "what was he thinking when he posted that?" response.

That feeling, that fear, I am certain, is a flaw in my own personality. It does not extend outside of photography. I was a subject matter expert in my work field for years... I loved the audience experience, either speaking or consulting. I was a musical performer (instrumental & vocal); the youngest member of the Baltimore Handel Choir. I am not stranger to opening myself and my work to scrutiny. But, for some reason, I cannot muster that confidence in my photography.

Finally, I was only half joking when I listed "I do not know how" twice. Knowing how to do something can make the unknown more manageable. And having time to do it, over and over when the first ones aren't successful makes it better, too. As someone else said, I start to work at 6:00 AM most days and I'm usually wrapping up around 7:00 PM... and there aren't a lot of small cafes & coffee shops near my work (I work from home, 35 miles west of Houston, or my clients' sites all over the world). If I can, in fact, get past the scared part, the time aspect will push this into a "when I retire" activity... only 6 more years.

So someone earlier up the thread said he wanted to hear from the people who do not share their images... I hope that, by being honest, I haven't engendered the "what was he thinking when he wrote that..." response.

It occurs to me that, in addition to having different outlooks on this issue , the respondents here may have different interpretations of the question - i.e. what is meant by the word "show".

I know I don't have any difficulty showing a friend a contact sheet or a machine proof or a quick work print, even if I am in the midst of trying to work out whether I am going to go farther with the photograph, or how. I consider that as "showing" my photographs.

I also consider sharing casually taken snaps from a social gathering as "showing" my photographs.

I assume some people only show final versions of carefully prepared work. Others are probably more like me. Are some of the respondents here only referring to their more "serious" work when they indicate that they show little or no work to others?

Matt

MattKing said:

It occurs to me that, in addition to having different outlooks on this issue , the respondents here may have different interpretations of the question - i.e. what is meant by the word "show".

I know I don't have any difficulty showing a friend a contact sheet or a machine proof or a quick work print, even if I am in the midst of trying to work out whether I am going to go farther with the photograph, or how. I consider that as "showing" my photographs.

I also consider sharing casually taken snaps from a social gathering as "showing" my photographs.

I assume some people only show final versions of carefully prepared work. Others are probably more like me. Are some of the respondents here only referring to their more "serious" work when they indicate that they show little or no work to others?

Matt

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Hi Matt,

It's funny, I'm kind of in an opposite camp on this. I just posted three more photos to the Gallery here and welcome any comments etc.

At the same time I have a good friend (and a very casual photog) who keeps asking to see my pics - and I keep stalling from doing so. Perhaps it's because I'm too close to him and if he was anything less than laudatory I'd feel hurt? Yet, at the same time, if he was totally laudatory, I'd feel he was just being a "good friend"?

I guess this goes back to a much earlier post of mine about not wanting to be in the position of boring my house guests with my latest batch of slides!