So you have seen all the color prints darkroom workers have ever made? No. There is no reason home darkroom worker can't make as good a print as a lab. In fact, many make their own for better control to produce better prints than they would get from a lab. That is why I chose to make my own. Inkjet may give fast prints but is no better quality and Ink is quite expensive.
I could not agree more. complex process, time consuming and not cost effective unless it was a giant "sheet" of 20-30 prints all ganged on one page and just cut up at the end..but even that sounds impractical..The discussion was not about using dye transfer per se, which can be very high quality, but using it to produce high volume school pictures which would have been totally impractical due to the complexity and expense of it, and would never have been chosen by a photographer for that purpose.
Pigment blacks from inkjet pigment are deeper than anything possible optically. Black backgrounds from pigment are very expensive, which is the only real negative. Highlight detail with inkjet is readily better than with optical/chemical printing.
No darkroom worker has nearly as much "control" as the same photographer could achieve with PS, if he/she put his/her mind to it. And my PS costs $10/mo (automatically updated).
Very few darkroom photographers have ever made a color negative print that rivaled what a good professional lab could have made...but many do excellent work today with inkjet pigment printers that cost far less than well set-up darkrooms (perhaps $1000...eg Canon Pro 10).
If one is already set up to do darkroom work, then one has to spend a lot more money to switch to digital and/or scanning and inkjet, with little gain, IMO.
One has to spend the same amount of money to switch to digital, whether they have a darkroom or not.If one is already set up to do darkroom work, then one has to spend a lot more money to switch to digital and/or scanning and inkjet, with little gain, IMO.
If one is already set up to do darkroom work, then one has to spend a lot more money to switch to digital and/or scanning and inkjet, with little gain, IMO.
If one is already set up to do darkroom work, then one has to spend a lot more money to switch to digital and/or scanning and inkjet, with little gain, IMO.
Exactly my situation and option.
One has to spend the same amount of money to switch to digital, whether they have a darkroom or not.
The point is that it is a considerable amount of money and there is still not a full frame 6x6 digital back or 4"x5"...
One has to spend the same amount of money to switch to digital, whether they have a darkroom or not.
kinda weak argument. Nobody needs 6X6 digital given the current mf Pentax and other digitals, that far outperform 6X6 film. Don't know if those mf digitals mount well on the existing digital view cameras (used often with Canon dslrs).The point is that it is a considerable amount of money and there is still not a full frame 6x6 digital back or 4"x5"...
If you already shoot film and have a darkroom then there is no need to switch, and would be silly IMO.
I shoot 120 and 4x5 and I wouldn't give up the tonality and detail I get compared to digital if digital was free.
...it'd be great if on Photrio you worked as hard to "lead" as you do to criticizing people who are carving their own pathways.No, actually it is a great reason and good enough for me. Especially since I have done digital photography since 1977 and my four movies have been seen more times than any Hollywood producer.
Absolutely. Besides I do not have to do digital just because any Tom, Dick and Harry can. I have never been much of a crowd follower; more a leader [Example: see the reference to 1977.]
that's my experience too.Very few darkroom photographers have ever made a color negative print that rivaled what a good professional lab could have made...but many do excellent work today with inkjet pigment printers that cost far less than well set-up darkrooms (perhaps $1000...eg Canon Pro 10).
I can only print up to 16x20 in my B&W darkroom. Larger silver prints made by an independent lab can be pretty expensive. I have had 20x20 inkjet prints made from a full-frame digital camera file (obviously cropped) for a lot less, and they look fantastic--certainly better than 35mm and damn close to medium-format film, depending on the emulsion. As far as material cost goes, good inkjet paper is more expensive (1-1/2 to 2x) than the VC fiber-base paper I use, and the inks are pricey, too. Plus, printers need maintenance and can have a limited lifespan.The point is that it is a considerable amount of money and there is still not a full frame 6x6 digital back or 4"x5"...
...it'd be great if on Photrio you worked as hard to "lead" as you do to criticizing people who are carving their own pathways.
I've was into film from 1979 to 2001, my beloved AE1P had been to the shop three times for the shutter squeal. Then it broke. I pawned everything off. thinking it was time to go digital. I've been 100% digital from 2002 to 2016, and when I saw a Ted Forbes video on home B&W development with New55 Monobath. I said wow! I can do that. So my dad gave me his SRT101 and I found another near mint AE1P on ebay,
I just love the whole process of film. I may not take great pics on the artist level, and some shots are blurry, but I'm having fun, And my collection grew to 17 film cameras and 1 DSLR. My most recent addition is a EOS630 which takes my small collection of EF lenses.
Film - Digital - Film & Digital, lots of fun!!!
I could not agree more. complex process, time consuming and not cost effective unless it was a giant "sheet" of 20-30 prints all ganged on one page and just cut up at the end..but even that sounds impractical..
?Oh, did I pop your balloon? Rain on your parade of groundless pontificates? So sorry Charlie. My bad.
...it'd be great if on Photrio you worked as hard to "lead" as you do to criticizing people who are carving their own pathways.
could't agree more, but don't think that will happen this close to mercury being out of retrograde.
and other wildness
https://www.theplanetstoday.com/astrology.html
You've come close to accepting what I posted earlier.
I don't know what size used paper was used but I'd guess 16x20 because that's the largest size of Kodak dye paper I've seen on stock house shelf.
The excellent British (?) film you posted showed one version of relatively high production dye lab that only one or two worker could easily handle that sort of work..not a very expensive setup. Labor was comfortably cheaper back then, too.
Pin registration isn't brain surgery...any b&w amateur could do it if they simply followed Kodak instructions.
I personally pin registered 35mm Ektachromes with 35mm Kodalith for title captioning and special images for slide shows... you could do it yourself if you had a Canon F1 or modified Nikon F.
Would be interesting if somebody knows what happened to the co-op Mexican dye transfer lab that Philip Hyde wanted to set up.
Very apt considering that astrology is not a science, rather a pseudo science pipe dream.
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