Four colour carbon - but it is incredibly complex and difficult.
Four colour carbon - but it is incredibly complex and difficult.
Todd Gangler will make four colour carbon prints for you, but IIRC his fees start at $6,000.00 USD.
plus one, I to full colour gum prints that will last.Color (8-12 layers) Gum prints, as well, if the colorants are of high archival quality. Similarly complex and difficult to make as the Carbon prints.
You can paint your silver prints.Painters don't have that limitation; they keep a large nmber of colors on hand, often as many as 15 or 20, and some professional painters have hundreds of tubes of paint in different colors! So, its easier for a painter to stick to archival colors when painting.
While I believe the materials are no longer available since Kodak discontinued making them, dye transfer prints are said to last up to 300 years. We could be extinct by then.
http://www.jeffreyglasser.com/
Kodak claims that you can get over 100 years with their VISION3 Color Digital Intermediate Film if it’s stored properly.
https://www.kodak.com/lk/en/motion/...gital_intermediate_film_2254_5254/default.htm
I know there is a process where you can print a photo onto ceramic tile. I don’t know how stable it is or what’s involved in the process but if it’s fired in a kiln I would think it would be stable. Just look at ancient Roman mosaics that have lasted thousands of years retaining great color. The company below claims they will last forever, it sounds like they are fired in a kiln.
https://www.artonceramic.com
In painting, some colors will last for eternity, and others do fade. It depends on what pigment is used to make the color. Blacks are just carbon. Browns are ground up clay. Some colors are ground up rocks and minerals like Cadmium Sulfide (yellow) and Lapis Lazuli (Ultramarine Blue). Some are laboratory-recreations of natural minerals (Ultramarine blue today is usually the synthetic version. Chemically identical but much less expensive than ground-up lapis lazuli). The colors made of clay or minerals or synthetic mineral pigments are usually ones that will last forever.
Some are made of dyes derived from plants, like Madder (a red color) or dyes made from organic chemicals, like Phthalocyanine Blue. Some of these fade fast, and others are fairly lightfast, but none are as permanent as mineral pigments.
The problem for photography is that photo color processes rely on mixing the three primary colors to make all colors that a photo can reproduce. There are no permanent mineral pigments for all three primaries. Painters don't have that limitation; they keep a large nmber of colors on hand, often as many as 15 or 20, and some professional painters have hundreds of tubes of paint in different colors! So, its easier for a painter to stick to archival colors when painting.
For the last 20 years, a 24x30-inch EverColor pigment print, mounted, matted and framed to 32x40-inches, has been hanging on our living room wall. Plenty of bright diffused sunlight strikes that frame every southern California day. This article...Why is there no way to make a color process print that can live even close to the 500 years since the creation of this painting?...
If memory serves (without making a trip to our safety deposit box and rummaging through receipts stored there), the cost for that print from Evercolor was between $600 and $700 in the late 1990s. The photographer, a friend, ordered it from his original transparency at my urging. His usual approach was to personally make dye transfer prints and he had not previously considered EverColor. There was no markup to us; the print price is what EverColor charged him. That EverColor went out of business not long after is validation of Oren's observation, i.e. not enough people were willing to pay the cost. Also, even at such a price, when my friend was impressed with the print and ordered another for himself, EverColor couldn't duplicate the result. No matter how technologically advanced the process was, consistency remained elusive....The reason we can't all have permanent color prints is because we're unwilling and/or unable to pay for what's required...it's extremely labor-intensive, and requires a fair amount of experience to do it well consistently...
The way they would preserve color in the old days was to make color separations in BW. Kodachrome is pretty stable in the dark. I have Kodachrome going back to 1939 with good color.
The problem for photography is that photo color processes rely on mixing the three primary colors to make all colors that a photo can reproduce. There are no permanent mineral pigments for all three primaries.
That's why the EverColor white polyester print base material was so appropriate....It's not just the image that needs to be stable but also the substrate that it's printed on.
Not all. Read post #16 and the link in it as well as those posts describing carbon prints.Color print processes use dyes, not pigments...
I distinctly remember criticisms in Apug that we shouldn't be so concerned with things like "archival" and such. It seems like 100 years is long enough in this "modern" era. When you are 87 years old like I am, 100 is not very long. More people should wake up and realize that the world did not begin the day they were born and won't end the day they die......Regards!I recently saw a Pre-Raphaelite exhibition that also included Renaissance artists like Botticelli, and I started to wonder: Why is there no way to make a color process print that can live even close to the 500 years since the creation of this painting? Fuji Color Crystal Archive seems to be best, but with estimates from only 50-100 years (Fuji even claims only 100 themselves, I guess it seems long until you remember the grand scheme of things) is there ever any truly archival color process? Why hasn't UV destroyed the colors in these paintings? Yes, it has been conserved, but I have seen RA-4 prints in Museum collections that are undergoing that Magenta-cast, and those were only 40 years old! (and only allowed to be viewed for short periods of time)
Interested to hear anyone thoughts on this. Perhaps I'll stick with silver and platinum.
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Painting is Portrait of Simonetta Vespucci as Nymph by Sandro Boticelli, c 1475 (543 years old)
Not all. Read post #16 and the link in it as well as those posts describing carbon prints.
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