Why Bulk Load Your Film?

[StoneNYC]

He just bumped his post and so I saw it and can link it now!

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

 

[timor]

Timor I feel I have to defend Kodak Orwo meaning Filmotec makes the 100ft rolls for amateurs and the like who use 35mm MP cameras Like the Zeiss Ikon Kinamo or the internal load of a B&H Eyemo the still film business is a small side market. You can get special orders from Kodak or buy prespooled Kodak Film (MP-Stock) from some other places. Kodaks MP Division is set up for the pro market not the amateur market. Orwo on the other hand is quite the opposite it is more amateur oriented than pro oriented. Just look up perforations and Orwo/Filmotec for years they did not make the correct perforations for 16mm film and 35mm film (Kodak as opposed to B&H) they just kept producing to the old GDR/USSR Standard (The Sowjet system used the Kodak standard for print and shooting stock, the West the B&H Standard for shooting and Kodak for printing) resulting in film jams and sometimes camera repairs (the first happened quiet often). Arri advised against the use of Orwo film this should tell you something. When it works the Orwo stock is superb and in fact more modern than Kodak's B/W MP emulsions.

Found this online source for Double X in 100ft spools: Dead Link Removed and also this very weird shop http://www.labeauratoire.com/film/index.html

This is a good analysis you gave me, thanks, is good to understand that. I had no idea, that such a small 35mm MP cameras exist. But don't defend Kodak, it is a paralyzed giant. Kodak started to make strategic mistakes 30 years ago, too big, to see, what's going on. It is a big business with a lot of investors whom they own profit. If there will be no profit the company will close in a heartbeat. Don't make any mistakes, I am a guy who uses Kodak materials exclusively, Tmax, TX and Double X is my everyday bread. I hate to think, they may stop production.
I would love to try ORWO stock. I never had any problems with ORWO materials in the deep past. If its overall quality equals Double X, it will be something to consider. About DXN I am with Stone. It is very flexible material for still photography, plus has additional things (coatings) which other films for still photography just don't have. Too bad it is only MP material.

 

[SchwinnParamount]

I mainly bulk load to get access to films that I find in 100ft or longer reels at a discount. Ilford films are still an ok deal to bulk load.

For tri x there's no better deal for fresh film than legacy premium from freestyle. They only have 24 exp rolls left but it's still a very good deal.

SP, if you are using windows you can pull up your on screen keyboard from your start panel or search bar. It will keep you going until you get a replacement.

Why the heck didn't I think of that??? Thanks for the tip.

 

[Laurent]

I use the Leica cassettes, both Barnack and M. I have about twenty total. I'll never use the other reusable types if I don't have to. I'm using the Leica only for 35mm, so it shouldn't be any problem.

Michael,

would you know if they work on an M4? I'm ready to "roll my own" and would be very happy to have cartridges that do not scratch the film by design

 

[Xmas]

Hi Laurent

Leitz made two types

IXMOO
FILCA

You need the IXMOO for any M except

CL
CLE
M5

The FILCAs won't fit they are 2.0 mm too tall. They only fit Barnacks. The IXMOO also fit Barnacks but rattle...

Noel

 

[Xmas]

This is a good analysis you gave me, thanks, is good to understand that. I had no idea, that such a small 35mm MP cameras exist. But don't defend Kodak, it is a paralyzed giant. Kodak started to make strategic mistakes 30 years ago, too big, to see, what's going on. It is a big business with a lot of investors whom they own profit. If there will be no profit the company will close in a heartbeat. Don't make any mistakes, I am a guy who uses Kodak materials exclusively, Tmax, TX and Double X is my everyday bread. I hate to think, they may stop production.
I would love to try ORWO stock. I never had any problems with ORWO materials in the deep past. If its overall quality equals Double X, it will be something to consider. About DXN I am with Stone. It is very flexible material for still photography, plus has additional things (coatings) which other films for still photography just don't have. Too bad it is only MP material.

Hi

Double-X is like Trix a modern emulsion but
cine perforated normally ok in still cept Hasseblad panos
thick base for durability in cine
low contrast for contact printing cine projection needs forceing for grade 2 paper
fine grain for 250ISO but cubic grain not tabular it is close to plusx... in signature

If you have a normal changing bag and 100 foot movie spool, or a bulk load spool it is easy to move 100 foot from core of 400 foot can to 100 foot spool. And drop into bulk loader.

The 100 foot spool avoids spaghetti in cbag... id not try core to core leave the 400 foot flat in half can

Im handicapped and I can do it.

I use Microphen 20C 8mins @320ISO and still get flat negs which I need for my shooting style I need to split print anyway.

very cheap new from Kodak, shot ends or recans even cheaper if you get a cine team finished shooting

If you are clumsy don't bother...

Noel

 

[Laurent]

Hi Laurent

Leitz made two types

IXMOO
FILCA

You need the IXMOO for any M except

CL
CLE
M5

The FILCAs won't fit they are 2.0 mm too tall. They only fit Barnacks. The IXMOO also fit Barnacks but rattle...

Noel

Thanks!

 

[timor]

Hi

Double-X is like Trix a modern emulsion but
cine perforated normally ok in still cept Hasseblad panos
thick base for durability in cine
low contrast for contact printing cine projection needs forceing for grade 2 paper
fine grain for 250ISO but cubic grain not tabular it is close to plusx... in signature

If you have a normal changing bag and 100 foot movie spool, or a bulk load spool it is easy to move 100 foot from core of 400 foot can to 100 foot spool. And drop into bulk loader.

The 100 foot spool avoids spaghetti in cbag... id not try core to core leave the 400 foot flat in half can

Im handicapped and I can do it.

I use Microphen 20C 8mins @320ISO and still get flat negs which I need for my shooting style I need to split print anyway.

very cheap new from Kodak, shot ends or recans even cheaper if you get a cine team finished shooting

If you are clumsy don't bother...

Noel

Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I have no problems handling 400' rolls, went already thru a few of them. To develop I use many developers. With this low contrast film it is easy to control the contrast and "look" of the image. DXN may look like TX, PX, Tmax, could be grainless (8x10) and sharp or the opposite. Responds very well to chemistry, temperature and time.
On the other hand, what's your shooting style ?

 

[mhcfires]

Michael,

would you know if they work on an M4? I'm ready to "roll my own" and would be very happy to have cartridges that do not scratch the film by design

Yes, you can use the IXMOO cassettes with the CHROME knob on the top. They were designed for the M cameras. Tom Abrahamsson on the Rangefinder Forum covers this subject well.

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http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123533.

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[Xmas]

On the other hand, what's your shooting style ?

like Bruce Gildens cept no flash so shoot first adjust exp after.

 

[GarageBoy]

So the 400' core doesn't have sides, right? (like a roll of cash register tape?)

 

[Xmas]

confirmed…

If you leave it in the bottom half of it's can and
wind the end in to a 100 foot reel like the reel was like the bobbin in a fishing reel you should be ok.

 

[StoneNYC]

confirmed…

If you leave it in the bottom half of it's can and
wind the end in to a 100 foot reel like the reel was like the bobbin in a fishing reel you should be ok.

They also have the Alden200 which is a 200 foot bulk loader, they are fairly cheap these days, go for about as much as the 100 foot loaders ($35-$50)

 

[NB23]

Double-X is an old emulsion (little changes since the 1950's) whereas the new Tri-X is a modern emulsion that is identical with old Tri-X in name only, so if you want to go old style than Double-X is your only option these days.

I agree the price is high considering that 400ft of the same emulsion cost 213.12 $ directly from Kodak not cheap but cheaper to get more.

Old style?
Marvelous results?

Go fomapan 100. And it's cheap, too.

 

[StoneNYC]

Old style?
Marvelous results?

Go fomapan 100. And it's cheap, too.

Have you ever actually shot either foma100 AND Eastman double-X?

I don't think so, if you did you would know these two films are COMPLETELY different animals...

 

[timor]

like Bruce Gildens cept no flash so shoot first adjust exp after.

That calls for Panthermic 777.
So, how do you adjust exposure after the fact ? It sounds like digital magic.

 

[timor]

Old style?
Marvelous results?

Go fomapan 100. And it's cheap, too.

Fomapan 100 has a nice look, but that only ISO 50 film. Push it a bit and isn't nice anymore. DXN on the other hand could be shot at 50 or 640 and you would never know. Low contrast of this emulsion is a big advantage.

 

[NB23]

Fomapan 100 has a nice look, but that only ISO 50 film. Push it a bit and isn't nice anymore. DXN on the other hand could be shot at 50 or 640 and you would never know. Low contrast of this emulsion is a big advantage.

The whole subject was old style results and low price. Now if we're into pushing and all kinds of other out of subject stuff, then I'd gladly recommend Delta+ XTOL.

But that wouldn't be the point.

 

[timor]

The whole subject was old style results and low price. Now if we're into pushing and all kinds of other out of subject stuff, then I'd gladly recommend Delta+ XTOL.

Yes, I understand that. The thing is DXN does it all for the same price as Foma 100 or, like in my case, for less, as I have to import Foma film from the closest distributor, which is in California, when DXN I can have delivered to my door in 48 hours tops. In the end I think one can have "old style results" with most modern non-T emulsion. It is a more matter of processing.
How do you use XTOL on Deltas ?

 

[Xmas]

They also have the Alden200 which is a 200 foot bulk loader, they are fairly cheap these days, go for about as much as the 100 foot loaders ($35-$50)

Hi Stone

Sorry not clear enough the easy way to split up the 400 foot is to wind it on a spool and most people will have the normal 100 foot cine spool which as it happens will fit even the small loaders.

The spools also came with some Fuji and Agfa bulk loads.

Winding it on a normal core is more risky...

 

[StoneNYC]

Hi Stone

Sorry not clear enough the easy way to split up the 400 foot is to wind it on a spool and most people will have the normal 100 foot cine spool which as it happens will fit even the small loaders.

The spools also came with some Fuji and Agfa bulk loads.

Winding it on a normal core is more risky...

Just saying it's easier to wind only half the spool 1 time, than have to brake it up 3 times.

 

[Xmas]

Just saying it's easier to wind only half the spool 1 time, than have to brake it up 3 times.

My 5222 came on a core if you remove 200 feet you should be able to drop it into a 200 foot loader.
I don't know if you can get 200 foot reels?
It is more difficult to respool on to a core, have you tried?
It is easy to respool into a reel and you know when to stop.

 

[StoneNYC]

My 5222 came on a core if you remove 200 feet you should be able to drop it into a 200 foot loader.
I don't know if you can get 200 foot reels?
It is more difficult to respool on to a core, have you tried?
It is easy to respool into a reel and you know when to stop.

Nope, I only have a dark bag, I need a clamp and a table, but I would set up a reel-to-reel with something non-sharp and just roll it...

Anyway... I'll try it when I run out of film... Still have a lot and rarely shoot 35mm

 

[SchwinnParamount]

Nope, I only have a dark bag, I need a clamp and a table, but I would set up a reel-to-reel with something non-sharp and just roll it...

Anyway... I'll try it when I run out of film... Still have a lot and rarely shoot 35mm

You rarely shoot film because you don't own a Canon F-1...

I'll bring mine when I make it out to your backyard this year. I'll come alone if my squeeze doesn't want to come. She uses 6x4.5cm, go figure.

 

[Xmas]

Nope, I only have a dark bag, I need a clamp and a table, but I would set up a reel-to-reel with something non-sharp and just roll it...

Anyway... I'll try it when I run out of film... Still have a lot and rarely shoot 35mm

Hi Stone

Im still getting sales resistance
I only have a medium sized dark bag if you keep the bottom half of can flat and have a 100 spool you can do it easy.

It will be nice in 4x5...