Why are Contax G2's so alluring?

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I just cannot get it out of my head, the Contax G2. I'd dearly love to own a camera like this but to be very honest, don't need it. I have plenty of cameras. I shoot primarily medium format manual focus rangefinders, so that is what I consider my natural environment. I have a Nikon FM2n set up with many primes, from 20mm up to 85mm. All nice manual focus. Yet somehow I keep drifting towards a Contax G2. I keep saying that the ship for these cameras is going to sail on day. These electronic cameras can't last forever.

Maybe if I did more shooting I'd get one.....if only there was a way to scratch this itch without buying yet another camera.

Am I alone with a problem like this?
 

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I still remember the first time I picked up a G1 back in 1994, when my Yashica/Contax rep dropped by the store ... there was something special about it, I had to order one for display ... luckily I have never touched a G2, but I really would like to !!
 

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Having owned both G1 and G2, there's nothing quite like it. Some of the best glass ever made for 35mm. Ergonomically great cameras - all the controls are right where you need them. Auto-focusing, parallax compensating viewfinder. Deadly-accurate exposure meter. I took mine to Barcelona one time and came back with images good enough that the sale of five prints paid for the trip. Yeah, it's that good. If you've got the itch, scratch it. I offloaded mine because I just wasn't shooting 35mm any more. Too many shots per roll, and affordable mini-labs are no longer around.
 

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"Why are Contax G2's so alluring?"

An exquisite shiny future paperweight?
 

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I second praise Contax G lenses. Probably the best you can get in 35mm. Looking at the images from G2 I am stunned how could these lenses render the details on that tiny piece of film. When I look at MF and LF negatives there is a different feeling.
Although autofocus on G2 is not so good, I would not trade it for manual focus RF as 35mm is all about quick action for me.
 

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Because they are beautifully made cameras with the exception of the VF, which for some unknown reason is only 90%. The deal breaker for me with these for anything but the 21 or 16.
 

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Because you really really want it.
 

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Well, I have been resisting OK for about 4 years now. It's just that that the itch won't go away.

How do you like the 21mm lens?


So skip going to Starbucks for a few weeks and you will have the money to buy it.
 
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The Zeiss 21mm f/2.8 lens for my Contax G is superb.

At the same f/stops, its image quality is on par with my Leitz 21mm f/1.4 Summilux. However, this $550 used lens was only a fraction of the cost of the Leitz lens.



21mm f/2.8 Zeiss by Narsuitus, on Flickr

Looks absolutely beautiful, but I dont know how well I'd like using an external finder. I've never done that before so that's a big unknown to me. But if I ever did get a Contax G2, a 21mm lens would have to come with it.
 

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I find it more difficult using the accessory viewfinder with my Leica M6 and the 21mm f/1.4 lens because I must use the optical viewfinder to focus manually and then switch to the accessory viewfinder for composition.

Since the G1 and G2 are auto focus, I do not have to use the optical viewfinder for focusing. I just use the accessory viewfinder for composition and let the camera auto focus.

Other times, when I am unable to find the accessory finder and place it in the hotshoe, I just use the entire Contax G viewfinder or the entire Leica M6 viewfinder for composition and then keep in mind that the 21mm lens will capture more than I am seeing in the rangefinder's viewfinder.
 

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I owned both G1 and G2 with 45 mm, 90mm and 21mm. As others have said, you will not find sharper lenses anywhere. The 45mm was probably the best lens I've ever owned! However, I never got along with the auto focusing system in the camera. Especially with the 90mm, it was possible to miss focus a fair amount of the time. I also get concerned about repairability if anything goes wrong with the camera. My advice - buy a G2 and a couple of lenses if you can get a really good deal, and see if it works for you. I you get along with the camera, buy a second body in case something goes wrong. ---john.
 

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I scratched my Contax itch a short while back and really enjoyed doing it. I got a G1 "green label" and a second G1 for backup. I have the 28mm 45mm and 90mm plus flash. I have absolutely no complaints as to the image quality that's for sure. I use the 45mm on my Olympus E-M5 II and it shines there as well. In fact it's so good I don't even plan on getting the Olympus 45mm f1.8 M.Zuiko
 

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I find it difficult to describe the negatives (or slides) from a Contax G - to try to say it briefly, words like superb tonality, crisp sharpness, ease of printing or scanning. In short, everything in its place. For me, the Gs produce a sort of Rolleiflex-like effect in 35mm, but even then, this term isn't entirely accurate, as 35mm images from a Rolleikin on my 3.5E2 lack that "wow, whatever it is" of the Contax images.

Yes, the G focussing system is quirky. Google it, read the several very good articles posted about this AF system, put into practice what you read, and you will soon learn to deal with it. After all, what AF camera unfailingly focusses perfectly? The G is no worse than most AFs of that time.

Okay, so Theo Sulphate calls the G2 (quote) "An exquisite shiny future paperweight?" Yes and no. My G1s, two bought new and two secondhand from Ebay when film camera prices went thru the floor and they were worth fractions of dollars, just keep on going. One developed a film rewind problems in the mid 2000s and I had to use a toothpick to manually activate the rewind, annoying but not suicidal. I did the rounds of all the Melbourne (Australia) camera repair centers for a repair but none would guarantee the work and all wanted insane prices (= lose-lose for me, win-win for them), so I said no way! and put this G1 away until 2010 or so, when I took it out, vacuumed and dusted it (and removed two small bits of film from the pressure plate), and lo, behold, wow! it was working normally again. LED bleeding in old age with G1s is a (minor for me, one of mine have it) problem but doesn't affect functionality. Eventually they will all stop working, but so will we, so what? Nikon Fs, Leica Ms and Rollei TLRs do the same,everything in life has a use-by date and time.

For my purposes the G1 suits me well. I have the 21 (often used), 28 (my walkaround lens), 35 (little used), 45 (I rate it as the best lens of all, but not often used as not my fave viewpoint) and 90 (rarely used). The 16 Hologon would be wasted on me and if you find one it costs and eye, ten teeth and a kidney anyway. For me, my G kit is complete. The entire lot (four cameras) cost me about A$3,500 and if my G1s someday pass on, I can sell those wonderful Zeiss Contax G lenses and recoup almost all this money. A good investment.

Nowadays in my retirement, if I were to buy again I would get a G1 and two lenses, in my case 28 and 45. Your mileage may differ. If you can pick up a 21 for $550 or less, go for it, you won't lose out.

As I have often written about the G1, to me it's the perfect minimalist kit - the camera, two lenses (or as many as you want and can afford), UV filters and lens hoods and there you are. Off you go to shoot and shoot and marvel at the superb results you will get.

I tend to keep my cameras a long time - my main 35mm SLR shooters are Nikkormat FT2s and ELs - and other than the toothpick moment which in the end fixed itself, the Contax G1 has never let me down.

And Starb(f?)ucks, well, why bother? Do yourself a favor, give up those yuppy-girlie drinks, or best yet stop altogether. Drink real coffee - Kimbo dark espresso!!
 
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Nowadays in my retirement, if I were to buy again I would get a G1 and two lenses, in my case 28 and 45. Your mileage may differ. If you can pick up a 21 for $550 or less, go for it, you won't lose out.

As I have often written about the G1, to me it's the perfect minimalist kit - the camera, two lenses (or as many as you want and can afford), UV filters and lens hoods and there you are. Off you go to shoot and shoot and marvel at the superb results you will get.

Beautiful write up. Can I ask why you prefer the G1 over the G2?
 

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Of course, RattyMouse. I've used G2s and G1s, although more extensively the latter. Several friends have G2s and I know the cameras reasonably well (as compared to "intimately" with the G1).

First (and important for those of us on a retirement budget), cost - based on current Ebay costs, G1s whether in Japan, where it seems they grow on trees and are widely available, and here in Australia where there are fewer so they are more expensive, a G1 in VG-VG+ working order and no 'bleed' in the LEDs costs A$100-$250. G2s are few and far between and when they turn up on The Bay, the sellers ask A$850 and up - a lot of extra $$$ for a camera with only a few extras.

For me, the low price was the most important factor and is why I own four G1s. I bought my Zeiss lenses some years ago when film camera prices were at rock bottom. If I sold now, I would break about even on the G1 bodies but make a profit on all the lenses - I paid A$300 for my45 f/2 and $325 for the 28 2.8, both new and with UVs and lens hoods included).

In this day and age it is good to know I would make money on this gear (I won't be selling, but my stepsons may well do some day in the future).

Next, improvements. G2s have a higher shutter speed (1/4000 against 1/2000 on G1s), not so important to me as I almost never shoot above 1/500.Some users claim the G2 viewfinders were improved and are clearer. The G2 autofocus system was apparently improved (again, I've used 1s and 2s but I didn't notice this) and the G2 may focus a bit faster and is less prone to 'wandering' if the camera is moved when focussing. Metering seems to be to be about the same with the two cameras. The G series meters are among the very best I've ever used.

Contax Zeiss lens quality is tops. In comparison with my (Japan made) Nikkor Ai-AIS lenses and the (German made) Zeiss lenses on my Rolleiflexes (perhaps not entirely relevant as MF), I find the G1 lenses give a little less overall contrast but more detail in the shadows (the latter trait shared with the Rollei Zeiss lenses) and superb results with backlit images. definition is, to me, nothing short of exquisite - the light seems to wrap itself around the subjects and create a lovely glow such as I've not seen in many other lenses. All these are personal views, of course. But I can see definite differences with the G lenses.

Contax really got everything right with the G1 and G2 but the original costs were very high (think: almost Leica) and apparently the user market for the two systems was disappointing. Sad that they didn't adapt them to digital - imagine an early 2000s rangefinder with that Zeiss glass!

That really sums up the G1 and G2 for me. Others with more experience in using the G2 may want to join in here. Please do. Sharing the data is what this is all about, after all.

Others with more experience in using the G2 may want to join in here.
 

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I just got a full G1 system a few months ago. Couldn't resist th great price and the fact that it was a a full set, all the lenses I would need and use, all the accessories and looked almost unused. I bought a second G1 body only to have a body for B&W and color. second body cvost $120 on evilbay and was in great shape

so my thoughts on using it for the few months I have ......

I have yet to have any focusing issues on either body that have not been my fault. I have put 30+ rolls thru them, and have had only 3 miss-focused frames, all on the 90mm. They were close focus shots and I did not bother to look at the range meter in the finder to verify my distance. new it was a miss right away, took a second and it was fine. So in my mind the people who have focus issues either have a camera issue or are not taking the time to get the shot. The focus is the same as the focus on my fuji 645z which Ive owned for many years, so maybe Im use to a kind of zone auto focus camera. again, this is a G1 and i have never had any focus issues yet

The camera body is DENSE!. I liken it to my nikon F3, compared to my other MF bodies like the FE-2, FA and FM3a. small package and yet it is a brick. very heavy and exudes quality build. I prefer manual focus lenses and hate the fact that I cant do MF on it. THe body is able to do it, its just not a efficiant way and does not work for me at all.

The lenses are the reason to get the cameras. they have a way of rendering that are different than my nikon lenses, which are 90% AI or AI-s lenses. the colors pop and have a sharpness rendering that is different. I liken it to my mamiya 6 lenses compared to my pentax 67 lenses. Neither is better than the others, just different. Slides on the contax to project and amazing amount of detail and have a more 3d look than the nikon lenses. again, not better, just different.

All the lenses are great. the 21mm gets used the least as I really hate using the extra finder. the results are great, but I mainly use the camera for hiking so its one more thing to lose and worry about. the 45 is special as is the 28. the 90 rocks as well.

the reason to get the system is the lenses in my mind. they are special but are they that much different than all the others I have or you have? The system price buys a lot of film, so decide wisely
 

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The G2 was my favourite 35mm camera, I liked it as much as Mamiya 7 . If I ever get back into 35mm I will look for one of these cameras.
 

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The Zeiss 21mm f/2.8 lens for my Contax G is superb.

At the same f/stops, its image quality is on par with my Leitz 21mm f/1.4 Summilux. However, this $550 used lens was only a fraction of the cost of the Leitz lens.
Have any of you used or bought one of the Contax G 21mm lenses converted to Leica M mount? If so, who did the conversion? Thanks!!
 

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RattyMouse, I too am retired. Pick out which version you want and which lenses you want. Since you are in the US you are better off buying at KEH unless there is a camera store near you that has exactly what you want. If all of it is too much at once, buy the camera and add the remaining lenses as you can afford them. You have worked your career to buy things that others needed and wanted. Now is the time to buy and enjoy the rewards you so richly deserve. If you want it, will use it and enjoy it, then step up and buy it as soon as you can find and afford it. You deserve it.
 
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