Why ℗ Analogue Film in a digital Age?

[blansky]

Does that imply that I need to remove the lenscap first??? No wonder all my shots come out black. I thought it was because I didn't have a
battery in my meter.

No you're just in your black period. Perhaps your inner goth.

It's just a phase.

 

[F5B&W]

I started to consider, plan, and work on takings fresh (as opposed to any of my older negatives), film-based photos and scanning them to digitize them about five years ago. Maybe more. A thing called grad school, my wife's diagnosis with MS, the passing of my brother from pancreatic cancer, my moms battle with breast cancer (she won that one!) all got in the way.

Today, I was able to develop a roll of TMAX 100 /120 using TMAX RS Developer. It felt fabulous! Sitting in front of a computer fiddling with Adobe Photoshop doesn't provide the same level of satisfaction, of a job done well.

Regression is typically what I do to a data set to obtain answers to hypothetical questions. I'm not sure if I "regressed" in the way an earlier post. Suggested. I'm not sure if I can in my mid-40's. I do know that I prefer getting my hands wet to clicking a mouse. I think the tonality of the image are better than what most digital sensors can deliver. There is the answer to my own question, amid the grey areas that touch life. Image quality, and working in analogue somehow makes the quality of my day(s) better.

 

[RobC]

Why Analogue Film in a digital Age?

More pertinently, why not? Who says it's the digital age anyway and do they know what they're talking about.

 

[F5B&W]

Well said.

 

[DREW WILEY]

They say there's more dark matter in the universe anyway.

 

[blansky]

They say there's more dark matter in the universe anyway.

Thought of you today.

Walked by the Lik Gallery in Maui.

Please, please please, don't respond.

Just an FYI.

 

[DREW WILEY]

That's reason enough to disappear into a black hole. But if you are in fact in Maui and not just ribbing me, what is a lot more beautiful than a black hole or Lahaina is that stretch of the hill around 4000 ft elevation that looks an awful lot like Marin. Always wonderful light around there. And the jacarunda trees should be in bloom on that stretch of road right about now, if you are in fact there. And at the moment, I am drinking
some Maui-grown coffee. So just to irritate you, I did respond.

 

[tomfrh]

I shot film as a kid in the 80s and 90s, then moved to digital around 2000 for the same that people in developing nations flock to KFC and McDonalds when it rolls into town.

I just moved back to film. Much nicer to be eating fine food again...

 

[blansky]

That's reason enough to disappear into a black hole. But if you are in fact in Maui and not just ribbing me, what is a lot more beautiful than a black hole or Lahaina is that stretch of the hill around 4000 ft elevation that looks an awful lot like Marin. Always wonderful light around there. And the jacarunda trees should be in bloom on that stretch of road right about now, if you are in fact there. And at the moment, I am drinking
some Maui-grown coffee. So just to irritate you, I did respond.

You can't irritate me. I'm on Maui.

In fact I'm shooting some digital stuff now so I can crank up the saturation. I mean waaaaay up.

Shit I just broke the slider I pushed it up so far.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Shit I just broke the slider I pushed it up so far.

(As gently as I can muster while suppressing a mischievous grin...

That "slider" can't be broken because it's not real. It's an abstracted virtual simulation of a real sliding trim potentiometer. The abstraction is designed to provide the user with just enough sense of a real appearance so as to make the functionality connection with a real potentiometer easily apparent. That in turn leverages the user's prior knowledge so no new training is required to immediately put the simulation to use.

Further, the implementation of that slider abstraction already knows about the user's penchant for emotionally slamming real sliders too far in frustrated attempts to get more of what they think it is they want in post-processing.

So design envelope boundaries have been established and also implemented in code beyond the user's control to preempt this behavior. The user can continue pushing his mouse off the desk and out the window onto the pavement below, and that little simulated slider will continue to stop at its upper limit without "breaking" every single time.

You see, the key to a successful software simulation is to assert extremely tight control over the user to keep him firmly within the applicable abstract design envelope, while at the same time making him believe that he has full and complete control over his actions. But he doesn't. He can't be trusted to...

It's very much analogous to pacifying a petulant child after saying no by offering up three new options for him to choose between, all of which have already been pre-vetted by you as being acceptable. Implement that correctly and the child feels vindicated because he really did get his way in the end by making his own final choice.)

:

Ken

 

[blansky]

(As gently as I can muster while suppressing a mischievous grin...

That "slider" can't be broken because it's not real. It's an abstracted virtual simulation of a real sliding trim potentiometer. The abstraction is designed to provide the user with just enough sense of a real appearance so as to make the functionality connection with a real potentiometer easily apparent. That in turn leverages the user's prior knowledge so no new training is required to immediately put the simulation to use.

Further, the implementation of that slider abstraction already knows about the user's penchant for emotionally slamming real sliders too far in frustrated attempts to get more of what they think it is they want in post-processing.

So design envelope boundaries have been established and also implemented in code beyond the user's control to preempt this behavior. The user can continue pushing his mouse off the desk and out the window onto the pavement below, and that little simulated slider will continue to stop at its upper limit without "breaking" every single time.

You see, the key to a successful software simulation is to assert extremely tight control over the user to keep him firmly within the applicable abstract design envelope, while at the same time making him believe that he has full and complete control over his actions. But he doesn't. He can't be trusted to...

It's very much analogous to pacifying a petulant child after saying no by offering up three new options for him to choose between, all of which have already been pre-vetted by you as being acceptable. Implement that correctly and the child feels vindicated because he really did get his way in the end by making his own final choice.)

:

Ken

But I have Photoshop Pro Plus Extreme.

With the Lik Peter, plug in.

I can even make a guy from Washington state look like he has a tan.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

...
So design envelope boundaries have been established and also implemented in code beyond the user's control to preempt this behavior. The user can continue pushing his mouse off the desk and out the window onto the pavement below, and that little simulated slider will continue to stop at its upper limit without "breaking" every single time.
...

Perhaps a marketing opportunity is being missed here. If the software recognized the rapid slider movement as operator exasperation, then it could "break" the slider. The user would then have to authorize a "repair order" for some nominal fee and this would add to the company's revenue.

A former coworker of mine now works for a well-known company that creates postprocessing software; he writes plug-ins. I'll fly this past him.

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

But I have Photoshop Pro Plus Extreme.

With the Lik Peter, plug in.

I can even make a guy from Washington state look like he has a tan.

Well, you and Peter are certainly allowed to make Washington state people look like they have tans. And if implemented correctly you will feel vindication that it was entirely your choice to do so.

Or the other two choices I can allow you to choose from are...



Ken

 

[Ken Nadvornick]

Perhaps a marketing opportunity is being missed here. If the software recognized the rapid slider movement as operator exasperation, then it could "break" the slider. The user would then have to authorize a "repair order" for some nominal fee and this would add to the company's revenue.

A former coworker of mine now works for a well-known company that creates postprocessing software; he writes plug-ins. I'll fly this past him.

Kind of like the glass shop owner who gave the neighborhood teenage boys BB guns each Friday evening, then spent the following work week fulfilling orders to very grateful customers?



Ken

 

[aRolleiBrujo]

Why walk, when we have cars?

 

[DREW WILEY]

Well, I'm still drinking real Maui coffee today, trying to decide whether to go bleary-eyed working on tax forms tonite or go bleary-eyed finishing a little more spotting on a really nice Maui print taken with real film. Everything in the shot is very nuanced, even the split toning.
Quiet rich evening light, not noise. Not the kind of result one gets digitally, much less with cans of fluorescent spray paint. The only "sliders" involved in the scene are a couple of long-boarders stand-paddling right at sunset, into my wife's favorite snorkeling cove. Why take a quiet walk? Because it memorable, enjoyable, and doesn't involve traffic jams, honking or cursing, morning commute mess, or engine electronics engineered to periodically break down (like my smog sensor getting replaced this afternoon). Why bother with a car if you can walk?

 

[blansky]

Well, I'm still drinking real Maui coffee today,.......

Tell me what kind and be happy to bring you back some.

Seriously.

 

[DREW WILEY]

Wow! You must be having a LOT of fun on Maui if you have nothing better to do than post! Guess you ran out of the icky gallery fast too!
Did you also try to sugar coated corndogs next door? Actually, we usually return with a whole suitcase of coffees. Kona etc is rich without
too much acid (important in my case). Specific ones vary year to year depending on the crop (just like grapes in Wine Country). Some of the Lion varieties weren't as good as I remember them before. A local Maui brand was better. My wife chats quite a bit with the locals. Around Lahaina lots of people have family members related to coffee growing, obviously up the hill a ways. It's a bigger industry on the Big Island. By law, Kona can only be officially used for the beans actually grown on Kona, the big island itself. But the same varieties are indeed grown on Maui and Kauai too. You can go "coffee tasting" here and there on all these islands, just like wine tasting around Napa.
For some reason, probably freshness, Kona never tastes quite the same when its purchased here on the mainland. Same with macadamias,
even the very same brand. Even Long's Drugs there in Lahaina sells good coffee. Every place seemingly does. Good fish or sushi is a different story - ya gotta ask the locals. The best place is actually a liquor store with a deli up the hill from Lahaina in a business park. Not
the kind of place a tourist would normally visit. But never stay in Lahaina, but generally in Napili.

 

[blansky]

Was that a yes or no?

 

[DREW WILEY]

Thanks. But no need to bother. We've got quite a reserve of Kona at the moment.

 

[blansky]

OK.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

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Oh shit I dunno. Why drive a Ferrari Dino 246 when there's plenty of Hondas?

 

[lxdude]

Thanks. But no need to bother. We've got quite a reserve of Kona at the moment.

But the Maui Wowie is running low here...

 

[F5B&W]

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Oh shit I dunno. Why drive a Ferrari Dino 246 when there's plenty of Hondas?

More of a 4WD pick up guy. Prefer Ford and Toyota. Go almost anywhere, do almost anything. I get it tho.

 

[blansky]

But the Maui Wowie is running low here...

Nice try but I highly doubt that.