Who would you most like to discuss photography with?

[Photo Engineer]

if i could have a conversation with a 2nd person besides emanuel ...
it would probably be someone who i might not have never heard of but is
fastidious with her or his processing and printing who would probably
have a coronary and give me a dope slap when she or he saw my work or what i do ...
i'd like to just to get more than a healthyearful of the polar opposite of me...

Sounds like you want to talk to me.

 

[falotico]

Present company excepted, J.S. Freidman who wrote "History of Color Photography". Just to tell him how much I loved his book and to pick his mind about when he worked for Technicolor.

 

[blockend]

Well known photographers rarely want to discuss photography, and never technique. Like writers on writing and painters on art, there's very little to talk about. The art speaks for itself.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I have. I assure you, you would not.

Why? I'm curious. I have two biographies of him. In addition to his research and inventions, he was concerned about racial and social justice and cared about the environment. He was known to be an extreme workaholic and I suspect he may have expected similar sacrifices from others, but I don't know.

Please tell me, if you wish.

 

[removed account4]

Sounds like you want to talk to me.

LOL maybe 8D
but i've seen you write " if it works for you ... thats what counts " or something like that .. so IDK ...

im talking about someone who if they see unmeasured / eyeballed sumatranol 130 being used instead
of a "normal" film / paper developer ... i'd be lectured again
at how it is necessary to only use things like you know .. HC-110, D-76, im guessing maybe it would be mutually-beneficial
so they could see there is a lot of middle ground ( which from what i have read from your conversations on apug/photrio you know already )

as richard albertine said " let it vignette ! "

 

[warden]

Emmet and Edith Gowin

 

[jjphoto]

Terry Phelan and Bruce Postle are retired photojournalists from Melbourne, Australia. Both these blokes have worked the bulk of their professional lives as photojournalists and have forgotten more about photography than i will ever know. It's these kinds of people i like to speak with even though they are not particularly 'famous'.

 

[Photo Engineer]

Why? I'm curious. I have two biographies of him. In addition to his research and inventions, he was concerned about racial and social justice and cared about the environment. He was known to be an extreme workaholic and I suspect he may have expected similar sacrifices from others, but I don't know.

Please tell me, if you wish.

I've met him and I knew others who knew him. We found him to be rather stiff or stilted in conversation and rather distant. He was quite an egotist, I'm told. I've heard several of his presentations in which he took credit for things his researchers did or that were done by others in the field. An example is Polacolor film which was actually developed (no pun intended) by Kodak engineers under contract.

There is no doubt that he was brilliant and did great work, it is just that things seem to have gone to his head according to the stories circulating in the field.

PE

 

[E. von Hoegh]

As an extension to another thread...a wise gentleman suggested this thread...Good idea Bill.

So here goes: If you could, who would you most like to have a discussion on photography with?

Timothy O'Sullivan.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

On second thought I'd like to shoot with Capra or Taro.

 

[jtk]

Sekei Mamiya

 

[Sebastiaan Hoornaert]

Ray Charles.

 

[RPC]

I don't think he'd see your point of view.

 

[Arklatexian]

As an extension to another thread...a wise gentleman suggested this thread...Good idea Bill.

So here goes: If you could, who would you most like to have a discussion on photography with?

A photographer who worked in the "French Quarter" in New Orleans, LA back in the 1930/40s. If you have been in "Preservation Hall", you have been in what was his studio/residence. He knew "Pictorial Photography" because he neglected his studio work to enter international competitions where he was quite successful (his friends, both in and out of photography bailed him out so he was able to keep his studio until (I think) he died. I had the good fortune to hear him lecture once here in Shreveport. We sent him a plane ticket which he cashed in and bought a bus ticket so he could see the countryside better, he said. Hr only had one leg at the time having lost the other to diabetes. A "French Quarter Character" but he forgot more about portraits than most photographers will ever know. I think time talking with (but not down to) him would be fascinating....His name:"Pops" Whitesell. By the way, he was totally against ever wiping a lens to clean it. Said the spider webs, dust and finger prints made more interesting pictures. .........Regards!

 

[jtk]

Why? I'm curious. I have two biographies of him. In addition to his research and inventions, he was concerned about racial and social justice and cared about the environment. He was known to be an extreme workaholic and I suspect he may have expected similar sacrifices from others, but I don't know.

Please tell me, if you wish.

Polaroid prospered during South African apartheid ... How? SA's mandatory i.d. cards, every one of which was made by a Polaroid security camera on Polaroid film. Edwin Land surely must have enjoyed that financially, so I very much doubt his purported concerns about "social justice".

 

[Theo Sulphate]

Polaroid prospered during South African apartheid ... How? SA's mandatory i.d. cards, every one of which was made by a Polaroid security camera on Polaroid film. Edwin Land surely must have enjoyed that financially, so I very much doubt his purported concerns about "social justice".

He was confronted about that. He was ignorant of Apartheid initially. When he studied the situation, he was firmly opposed to it and worked to do the right thing - personally and on behalf of Polaroid. It's been over 10 years since I read the book, so I can't cite exactly what he did - however I remember reading that he was bothered greatly about the injustice.

 

[removed account4]

've heard several of his presentations in which he took credit for things his researchers did or that were done by others in the field. An example is Polacolor film which was actually developed (no pun intended) by Kodak engineers under contract.

maybe i'm wrong but when someone works undercontract for an employer isn't it the perogative of the employer to say who
developed or invented whatever they did? like a photojournalist who works for a newspaper or agency,
its the agency/newspaper who own the photographs not the photographer ...
or the people who designed/discovered/invented all sorts of things upc symbols
to the things taken for granted and millions in automobile construction...
when i was working for an environmental firm they regularly would take my name
off of things i wrote and put it in the main body and not have my name on the paper or research ...
same thing happened when i was a grad student and did "study reports" for projects and proposals
for things put on the national register &c .. the next year photographs taken from the
same vantage points i took them from, and my research and writing and others put their name on it ..
same old-same old
maybe i am wrong for thinking these things and the people who work under contract, photojournalists,
employees of large corporations, researchers, report writers and grad students should get credit
but i figure that is just the way of things ..

isn't / wasn't chromium used in many photographic products during the apartheid era ?
if so, seems like all sorts of photographic industries reeped the benefits of relations
with SA ... and big bumpers on cars too ...

YMMV

 

[Arklatexian]

maybe i'm wrong but when someone works undercontract for an employer isn't it the perogative of the employer to say who
developed or invented whatever they did? like a photojournalist who works for a newspaper or agency,
its the agency/newspaper who own the photographs not the photographer ...
or the people who designed/discovered/invented all sorts of things upc symbols
to the things taken for granted and millions in automobile construction...
when i was working for an environmental firm they regularly would take my name
off of things i wrote and put it in the main body and not have my name on the paper or research ...
same thing happened when i was a grad student and did "study reports" for projects and proposals
for things put on the national register &c .. the next year photographs taken from the
same vantage points i took them from, and my research and writing and others put their name on it ..
same old-same old
maybe i am wrong for thinking these things and the people who work under contract, photojournalists,
employees of large corporations, researchers, report writers and grad students should get credit
but i figure that is just the way of things ..

isn't / wasn't chromium used in many photographic products during the apartheid era ?
if so, seems like all sorts of photographic industries reeped the benefits of relations
with SA ... and big bumpers on cars too ...

Jnanian, who owns the photographs that a newspaper photographer takes depends upon legal agreements between the photographer and the newspaper. Back in the good old days, local newspapers had "first publication rights" to any pictures the photographers took on the job. Any reprints as well as the negatives belonged to the photographers. I do not know what arrangements are now.. The result of the earlier system was that. newspaper photographer spent his/her whole career working for the same company and earned money after retirement selling pictures of Elvis that they had taken when he was at the Louisiana Hayride on his way up. It worked well for both parties. They retired and that system ended, I think, when a big newspaper chain bought out our local papers.........Regards!

 

[removed account4]

hi arklatexian
i guess it all has to do with the arrangement the employee or contract employee has with the company their
are hired to work for > but from having worked for a bunch of people as a writer, researcher, photographer &c
they pretty much take as much as they can, and are sometimes brazen about it ... YMMV

 

[Photo Engineer]

Ever see a photo on the TV News? You see a name in a small sidebar giving the name of the photographer if he did NOT work directly for the company publishing the photo. This is similar to what goes on with contracted R&D. I don't have my name on a bottle of Bleach-Fix, and the list would be too long if everyone who did R&D on it were to be listed there. But, if it had been contracted out, Kodak would have had some notice to this effect, I'm sure.

Land could not make or coat the first color material. Kodak engineers had to teach Polaroid engineers how to do the whole thing. The first coatings were made by Kodak at Kodak Park. It continued that way until Land had his own factory built. The entire concept was his, and he did demo it for the patent(s). However, he was unable to reduce it to a commercially viable product. His statements on this sounded quite otherwise. However, I'm led to believe that his 3D (glasses free) was his own. I've seen that and it is spectacular. But then again, the concept (AFAIK) never went beyond the demos.

PE

 

[faberryman]

Anyone that wants to talk about photographs and not cameras.

 

[removed account4]

Anyone that wants to talk about photographs and not cameras.

what about lenses ? and developers? and KC or the backing paper for 120 film ? LOL