Who makes Ultrafine, Ultrafine Plus, and Ultrafine Xtreme Films?

[destroya]

i asked ultrafine about the xtreme 100 in 120. They said it is the same emulsion as the 35mm film. Thats great news. this also gives us a little more info about who makes the film. Kentmere does not come in 120 sizes. but the ilford pan 100 and 400 does. the box of the 120 400 xtreme screams ilford.

 

[MartinP]

If made by Harman, they are perfectly capable of making a good and usable film which is measurably different to the other products - they are not trapped in to having a couple of emulsions to do everything! They are the world-leader in manufacturing black-and-white products to contract.

 

[JW PHOTO]

i asked ultrafine about the xtreme 100 in 120. They said it is the same emulsion as the 35mm film. Thats great news. this also gives us a little more info about who makes the film. Kentmere does not come in 120 sizes. but the ilford pan 100 and 400 does. the box of the 120 400 xtreme screams ilford.

I've never used Ilford Pan 100 or 400, but if it's truly the same emulsion as the Xtreme 100 135 film I'm in for sure. I really do like the Xtreme 100 135 stuff and the price is darn good in bulk anyway. I was going to order another 100' of xtreme 100 in 35mm tonight and might just have them throw in a couple of rolls of Xtreme 100 in 120 just to try with some pyro developer. The 35mm Xtreme in Pyrocat-MC or WD2D+ is very, very nice. I got my fingers crossed!

 

[destroya]

what times do you use for the x100 in pyro? I have some pyro HD but have yet to use it with the xtreme.

 

[MattKing]

I've never used Ilford Pan 100 or 400, but if it's truly the same emulsion as the Xtreme 100 135 film I'm in for sure. I really do like the Xtreme 100 135 stuff and the price is darn good in bulk anyway. I was going to order another 100' of xtreme 100 in 35mm tonight and might just have them throw in a couple of rolls of Xtreme 100 in 120 just to try with some pyro developer. The 35mm Xtreme in Pyrocat-MC or WD2D+ is very, very nice. I got my fingers crossed!

It won't be the same as Ilford Pan 100 or 400, because Harman refuses to sell any of there Ilford or Kentmere labelled film with any other labeling.

But the films could be similar.

 

[JW PHOTO]

It won't be the same as Ilford Pan 100 or 400, because Harman refuses to sell any of there Ilford or Kentmere labelled film with any other labeling.

But the films could be similar.

Well, I guess I'm back to waiting for somebody else to try it.

 

[JW PHOTO]

what times do you use for the x100 in pyro? I have some pyro HD but have yet to use it with the xtreme.

I used Pyrocat-MC at 9 min/9 1/2min(can't remember offhand) @ 73 degrees, but my highlights/contrast seemed a little high. So, the next time I use it I'll go for 7 1/2 min and see if I like it. The scenes were bright lite snow scenes so it was pushing it a bit. The WD2D+ shots were near perfect right out of the gate. JohnW

 

[JW PHOTO]

Hate to bump this again, but has anybody tested the NEW Ultrafine Xtreme 100 in 120 size to see if it's the same emulsion as the 35mm Ultrafine Xtreme? I'm running low on the bulk 35mm xtreme and need to reorder. Thought I'd like to try the Xtreme 100 in 120 too, but not if it's junk. JW

 

[destroya]

yes I have. It is the same film and very good for the price. based on my usage I am guessing its ilford pan 100, which is a not as "high quality" as fp4. maybe the first run batch or some other not quite first quality batch. I have shot 40 rolls of it in 120 and just ordered anopther 40, although they only sent me 20.

 

[JW PHOTO]

yes I have. It is the same film and very good for the price. based on my usage I am guessing its ilford pan 100, which is a not as "high quality" as fp4. maybe the first run batch or some other not quite first quality batch. I have shot 40 rolls of it in 120 and just ordered anopther 40, although they only sent me 20.

destroya, that's good to know! Now I'll be ordering some and since I already like the 35mm Xtreme in Pyrocat-MC and WD2D+ I'll soup the 120 in it also. Did you soup yours in Pyrocat-HD?

 

[destroya]

yep. here are a few. 1 min agitation then stand for 49 min. really sharp. 2+2+500

 

[JW PHOTO]

Well done!

yep. here are a few. 1 min agitation then stand for 49 min. really sharp. 2+2+500

Those look darn good to me for the type scene you were shooting. Are those scans from prints or negatives? I have noticed that with WD2D+ and Pyrocat-MC and the 35mm Ultrafine Xtreme I have to rate it at about ISO 64 to get what I like, but I do like what I get. Sounds like you went through enough of this new Xtreme 120 to form a decent opinion that's for sure. My order is in! JW

 

[destroya]

scans from the negs on a coolscan 9000. rated, based on my speed test at 100. If I'musing an orange or red filter, I go down to 80. 125 if reverse precessing them. the only thing you need to be careful of is the lack of, or very thin(?) AH layer

 

[mklw1954]

I think the Ultrafine Xtreme films are very good: 135-100, 135-400, 120-100 (relatively new) and 120-400. I develop them in D76 stock solutions.

The Ultrafine Plus film is lousy (I've tried only 2 rolls of the 120-100).

 

[Tom1956]

I think the Ultrafine Xtreme films are very good: 135-100, 135-400, 120-100 (relatively new) and 120-400. I develop them in D76 stock solutions.

The Ultrafine Plus film is lousy (I've tried only 2 rolls of the 120-100).

Is this the stuff you're saying is so good? What's the grain like? I use Microdol homebrew 1:3. Thanks.
http://www.ultrafineonline.com/ulxtblwhfiis9.html

 

[mklw1954]

Yes, I get the 100 ft. rolls. It's slightly grainier than Tri-X when developed in D76 stock solution but I like the prints I make from the Xtreme film. You might want to try a single roll for $3 to see if you like it before buying 100ft.

 

[LeeYangzao]

In fact, I believe that Ultrafine Xtreme is the same film as Kentmere. Because their developing times are totally same.
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?Film=Ultrafine&Developer=&mdc=Search&TempUnits=C
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?Film=Kentmere&Developer=&mdc=Search&TempUnits=C

 

[JW PHOTO]

In fact, I believe that Ultrafine Xtreme is the same film as Kentmere. Because their developing times are totally same.
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?Film=Ultrafine&Developer=&mdc=Search&TempUnits=C
http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.php?Film=Kentmere&Developer=&mdc=Search&TempUnits=C

I know from your previous post that you are just starting out and I think that's great, but you will find out that everything written in the Massive Development Chart is not "tried and true". Another words, these times and temps were not put out by a controlled lab. They are submitted by folks like you and me. Also, Ultrafine Xtreme times and temps only match for 35mm. What about Ultrafine Xtreme 120? Kentmere film is not made in 120. Now it could be Harmon slits special for the Photo Warehouse, but I really doubt that. I would like to know, but I guess it's not that important. All I know is the Xtreme labeled films from them are very good for the price.

 

[removed account4]

why doesn't someone just call photo warehouse up and ask the country of origin of the film, instead of speculating ?
they used to sell rebranded ilford back in the day and it used to say " made in england " ... i am guessing if you ask what continent it
is from they might tell you. they are good folks, and apug sponsors... i'm still chewing down my supply of made in england fb/11x14, and rc 8x10.
no complaints.

 

[destroya]

why doesn't someone just call photo warehouse up and ask the country of origin of the film, instead of speculating ?
they used to sell rebranded ilford back in the day and it used to say " made in england " ... i am guessing if you ask what continent it
is from they might tell you. they are good folks, and apug sponsors... i'm still chewing down my supply of made in england fb/11x14, and rc 8x10.
no complaints.

the boxes do say made in the EU. I have asked them before and they wont give an answer, which is clearly their prerogative.

 

[JW PHOTO]

the boxes do say made in the EU. I have asked them before and they wont give an answer, which is clearly their prerogative.

Yes, it has all the wrappings of a Harman/Ilford film right down to the backing paper. My question is would they run special batches of 120 film just for Photo Warehouse???? I can see 35mm film just being canned and labeled Ultrafine Xtreme, but 120 would have to be a special run if it's Kentmere since Kentmere 120 does not exist.

 

[MattKing]

As Harman are in the business of contract coating of all sorts of things, including photographic film, and as they have said in the past that they will not re-brand anything they sell under the Ilford or Kentmere brands, I'm not sure why you think it unlikely that they aren't manufacturing to order.

Of course, Inviscoat appears to also be available for contract manufacturing.

EDIT: And as the backing paper is manufactured by others, a similarity in backing paper isn't particularly helpful as a clue.

 

[destroya]

it would be interesting to compare the xtreme film to say rollei RPX line as they both came out at about the same time and both are finished/ made for them by Harmon. RPX is also made in 120.

 

[LarryD]

It is Kentmere. The 100 and 400 but the 120 versions are not sold in Europe just the U.S.

 

[John Wiegerink]

It is Kentmere. The 100 and 400 but the 120 versions are not sold in Europe just the U.S.

How do you know for sure? Not that it really makes a difference at all. It wouldn't matter if it were made by Nabisco 'cause it's still good film. Of course curiosity will eventually kill the cat so the sooner we know the more lives it will save.