Which film cameras can you buy brand new?

Discussion in '35mm Cameras and Accessories' started by Thomas Keidan, Jan 19, 2018.

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    And there is one of the problems....."Current Hype".
    Any guess on how long that will last.?
    Another problem, there certainly is money to be made SELLING a new 35mm camera. However there is not money to be made Building Them.
    As my Betters have already said.....
    The machines do not exist.
    The expertise has retired.
    Stocking parts and labor for a warranty is a losing proposition.
    Etc etc etc
    Five years from now, Film Sales might be 3x what they are now, or Film Sales might be on the edge of collapse.
    Ilford is in Business because they are already in business. I see no way they would get the capital together to start making film in 2018.
    Look at the giant success that is Film Ferrania. :wondering:
     
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    I just picked up a New, in original packaging Leica M6ttl, silver, 0.85 viewfinder. Some fellow in Hong Kong had come across a collection stash. $2300 US delivered. Body only. I had a black M6ttl for about 10 years, 0.72 finder. I never did like that finder setup.
    I didn't want the electronics of the M7, and I didn't want an MP with the retro rewind crank . The factory lens caps for the Summicron 50mm are the crappiest lens caps.

    I hope Nikon can keep the F6 alive, who knows they may have old stock they are selling off.
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    You can buy lightly used top of the range 35mm and 120 cameras , that you could only dream of owning back when they came , out for less than what you would pay for a new camera , if any of the firms bothered to gear up and make one now .

    The last new camera I saw offered by the shops was a manual focus body , possibly made by Cosina , branded as Brawn (?) , in a choice of lens mounts .
    IIRC , Nikon F , Minolta SR , Pentax K , the price was about £130 .
    I could buy a Minolta X700 at the time for £20 , a Dynax 7 for £100 , any Pentax body for less than £20 and so on .

    Just now used bodies have gone up , but any film bodies that would be made are still going to retail for more than a digital body .
    A lot of the camera parts could be used for both formats , but the extra production cost , R&D etc , would put the final retail price far in excess of what the market would pay .

    We're not about to run out of bodies anytime soon , so where's the market ?
     
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    Well besides Leica, the Nikon F6 and the LF ones, I think Lomography makes a couple of them both for 120 and 35mm, and obviously Fujifilm with their Instax's and Polaroid Original with the OneStep 2.
     
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    That's right. Japan especially has numerous barely used/collectors cameras for sale at no more than twice the price of a beater. Which still puts them way below the cost of a new camera. Nikon F4 and F5, late EOS 1, medium format from Bronica and Mamiya, professionally made gear that evolved in manufacturing sophistication over many years. Why, when such stuff is available, would anyone spend money on a start up of unknown viability and engineering quality? Novelty? A good will message to the history of film?

    It's not as though film technology has evolved in the last 20 years. Whether you buy brand new or used you're getting 1997 tech at the latest. Nikon made a farewell copy of their rangefinder, but manufacturers can't exist on tribute acts and nostalgia.
     
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    Yebbut their market is people who buy an M9 thinking they were owning a slice of heritage. The smart folks are into knuckleheads and 500 twins.
     
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    I am sure many will. Of the same model some will be bad but a larger percentage of them still working perfectly fine that what I think.
     
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    Let's make a date: March 26, 2039 (roughly the 80th anniversary of the U.S. introduction of the Nikon F). We can meet at the base of Cleopatra's Needle in NYC. Bring your F6; I'll be the guy with the Nikon F. See you there!

    Other Photrions welcome.

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    If I myself make it at that time I would bring my much older F5 is that OK?
     
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    Ok! 2039.03.26: Everyone bring their camera.*

    * (I was unable to find the day the Nikon F was officially introduced).
     
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    If it was English I'd think it had a Villiers 2t engine, but that could be a jlo/ilo engine. I can't quite see the tank badge to work out the make.
    It's a dkw.
     
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    I can bring a Contax II, I'll also bring a Kiev as backup - maybe some flashbulbs too. :wink:
    I'l be the curmudgeon in the model A.
     
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    As for reproducing classic cameras, I don't think you reaslise what you are suggesting. Let's take the Nikon F2 as an example, the "simplest" version with plain prism contains over 1500 parts. Each of these parts requires drawing(s) as well as tooling for production. The body castings are very sophisticated pressure die castings, requiring very complex dies and tecniques. And let's not even mention the titanium foil shutter. All of these bits and pieces were designed for hand assembly, before the days of CAD/CAM production. So even assuming all the drawings and tooling still exist, you need people with skills and experience to make it all happen. How many "New F2" bodies would need to be sold at say $6500 to break even?
     
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    It took me a while to work out it was a DKW, I thought it might be a 2-stroke Ariel. DKW became MZ. In the background is a Mobylette, I think.
     
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    About 8 years ago I tried to work out how much a humble Nikkormat would cost, if produced again. I reckoned no less than £1500, probably nearer 2k. At the time a clean and fully functioning Nikkormat cost £30-50 on the used market.
     
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    And you assumed how many units would be sold? Of course if they can only sell 1 unit it would be a lot more and if they can sell a few millions it would cost less.
     
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    No one is going to sell a million film cameras anymore. How many Nikon millennial rangefinders did they sell? A few thousand? That's the economy of scale any new film camera would have to negotiate.

    The Y2k Nikon S3 with standard lens cost $6000. Bear in mind Nikon were still producing film cameras in 2000. Those lines will almost certainly have been turned over to digital camera production, so the premium would be higher.
    http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/rangefinder/s3.htm
     
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    You're right - 1950's in Germany. My father-in-law - captured with his Perkeo I - Vaskar 80mm f/4.5.
     
  23. The more I think about it, the less I can justify buying a new camera.
     
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    Fujifilm tried selling new cameras a few years ago. They had a line of nice 35mm cameras (Klasse series) and medium format (GF series). Both were VERY nice cameras.

    They did not sell well enough to keep in production.
     
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    I looked at the GF670 when it came out. Nice camera, ticked many of my boxes, but just too expensive at the time. Still is actually.
     
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