i was shooting with my Yashica D at the courthouse on Friday, people were staring and a couple of cars pulled over to watch. I love it. I especially loved the puzzled look on one of the drivers face. They didnt leave until I did.
When did you last promote film use?
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A few things come to mind in my life at this particular time:
I permanently loaned a Canon Sureshot 35mm P&S to a friend, and gave her a bag of frozen consumer film that I have had in my fridge for years. She has been making her way through the film, but told me she wanted to shoot black and white. So, I went to Freestyle yesterday and got her a roll of BW400CN to try out. The roll is almost shot already.
I gave a 10-minute presentation (with one-page handout) on A.P.U.G. to two college photo classes.
I mix up special chemicals for the experimental photography class, and encourage their use.
I encourage students to make their work rely on the physical and active nature and routine of making analog work. It is a huge conceptual difference between film and digital, IMHO; the physical act of actually making the work. Results rely largely on the details of ones process, and the physical acts of how it is carried out. IMHO, working in analog makes the process an ever present part of, and contributor to, the work, while digital is more results oriented, and only about the work alone, damn how it got there, and damn how the process affected the concept.
I give people film as gifts, especially when they say something like, "I have an old camera I used to shoot, but I didn't think I could get film for it any more", or "I used to love the way my old pictures on film looked so much better."
I help people organize and care for their scattered and abused photo archives, and I print and/or copy peoples' old photos for them.
I help people set up darkrooms. I loan them and/or give them equipment and materials.
I find good, cheap film equipment for people.
Rather than answer a question, I try to inform a person enough to answer it his/herself. I encourage reading, experimentation, testing, practice, and anything else that involves teaching people to teach themselves. Encouraging actual thought and critical thinking generally also encourages analog methods, IMHO.
I always take my time to explain why analog is better to those for whom it really is better, especially to intelligent people who will listen to what you have to say. I have surprisingly had decent success, especially with those who do not consider themselves "serious photographers."
I tell people they are lazy and stupid and unskilled when they speak of "going" digital (that is, abandoning film after learning on film).
I make fun of and start fights with people who tell me they had to entirely abandon film to met their clients demands, saying, "I have to feed my family."
I speak of film as if it were not dead. I try to put forth the attitude that it is an outstanding imaging tool that we have at our disposal, so we should use it.
The only way to save film is to get people to buy it. Plain and simple. We have to use it or lose it, and we obviously cannot do it with the current numbers of film shooters. We need new users to adopt film, and adopt it in force. We need new users who learn on film to stick with film. I try to get these things to happen with whoever I know.
I permanently loaned a Canon Sureshot 35mm P&S to a friend, and gave her a bag of frozen consumer film that I have had in my fridge for years. She has been making her way through the film, but told me she wanted to shoot black and white. So, I went to Freestyle yesterday and got her a roll of BW400CN to try out. The roll is almost shot already.
I gave a 10-minute presentation (with one-page handout) on A.P.U.G. to two college photo classes.
I mix up special chemicals for the experimental photography class, and encourage their use.
I encourage students to make their work rely on the physical and active nature and routine of making analog work. It is a huge conceptual difference between film and digital, IMHO; the physical act of actually making the work. Results rely largely on the details of ones process, and the physical acts of how it is carried out. IMHO, working in analog makes the process an ever present part of, and contributor to, the work, while digital is more results oriented, and only about the work alone, damn how it got there, and damn how the process affected the concept.
I give people film as gifts, especially when they say something like, "I have an old camera I used to shoot, but I didn't think I could get film for it any more", or "I used to love the way my old pictures on film looked so much better."
I help people organize and care for their scattered and abused photo archives, and I print and/or copy peoples' old photos for them.
I help people set up darkrooms. I loan them and/or give them equipment and materials.
I find good, cheap film equipment for people.
Rather than answer a question, I try to inform a person enough to answer it his/herself. I encourage reading, experimentation, testing, practice, and anything else that involves teaching people to teach themselves. Encouraging actual thought and critical thinking generally also encourages analog methods, IMHO.
I always take my time to explain why analog is better to those for whom it really is better, especially to intelligent people who will listen to what you have to say. I have surprisingly had decent success, especially with those who do not consider themselves "serious photographers."
I tell people they are lazy and stupid and unskilled when they speak of "going" digital (that is, abandoning film after learning on film).
I make fun of and start fights with people who tell me they had to entirely abandon film to met their clients demands, saying, "I have to feed my family."
I speak of film as if it were not dead. I try to put forth the attitude that it is an outstanding imaging tool that we have at our disposal, so we should use it.
The only way to save film is to get people to buy it. Plain and simple. We have to use it or lose it, and we obviously cannot do it with the current numbers of film shooters. We need new users to adopt film, and adopt it in force. We need new users who learn on film to stick with film. I try to get these things to happen with whoever I know.
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Dear One...
Someday we will meet. I look forward to in person discussion with you. Except for your allegiance to the 'Hawks', we agree (or respectfully disagree) on most everything.
Bust! Go Sharks!
*L*
tim in san jose
Someday we will meet. I look forward to in person discussion with you. Except for your allegiance to the 'Hawks', we agree (or respectfully disagree) on most everything.
Bust! Go Sharks!
*L*
tim in san jose
removed-user-1
Promoted film use last night at a club show at the World Famous Milestone, photographing local band The Lesser Pauls with Kodak BW400CN, the F3, and an ancient 55mm f/1.2 Nikkor. Wish I'd had some Delta 3200, it was dark in there! The lead guitarist was thrilled to know I was using film.
A digital shooter asked me why my work showed less blown highlights, better human skin tones, richer graduations in color and tonality. I told her that I shoot film and that although I love digital too, I prefer film for it's wider dynamic range, and for it's better tonal graduations. She wants to know what film SLR to buy and how much they cost.
Now had I called her stupid, and other names, and disrespected her, she would be turned off to film for good. Notice too, that I convinced her to try film with out telling the many, many lies that many film shooters tell the digital set in order to "convince" them....the best way to convince someone to use film is to stick to the truth, don't disrespect digital, and keep emotion and religion out of it.
Now had I called her stupid, and other names, and disrespected her, she would be turned off to film for good. Notice too, that I convinced her to try film with out telling the many, many lies that many film shooters tell the digital set in order to "convince" them....the best way to convince someone to use film is to stick to the truth, don't disrespect digital, and keep emotion and religion out of it.
Ah, but you're not really a film shooter, are you!? :rolleyes:
I shoot a heck of a lot more film then you, that is for sure. I looked at your gallery and it is empty! Do you even own a camera?
You just hate other points of view, especially those that are based on fact, and for respect for those that use other mediums.
Man Up and wake up to the fact that we photographers are all lovers of light, composition, and The Picture, regardless of the fact that we don't all use the same medium for capture.
I'm sure it makes your blood boil that I love, prefer and shoot film.
It's all good! Film, digital, painting, canvass, sculpture, music, literature....we all are the brotherhood of art.
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You don't see an gallery?
Gee!
Wonder why that's so, hmm?
Simple.
Real photographs exist in a real gallery, not on a bloody computer screen or disc that you are so enamoured by and repeatedly try to defend limp-wristedly in archival terms and superiority. If my clients want to see representative Ilfochrome work (no digital "awesome art" bullshit here), they know where to find it on an intranet or certain other places, along with with the price tags.
You really need a degree++ in Arts to sort you out. Much of your writing is bizarre. Not a film user, just digital.
Gee!
Wonder why that's so, hmm?
Simple.
Real photographs exist in a real gallery, not on a bloody computer screen or disc that you are so enamoured by and repeatedly try to defend limp-wristedly in archival terms and superiority. If my clients want to see representative Ilfochrome work (no digital "awesome art" bullshit here), they know where to find it on an intranet or certain other places, along with with the price tags.
You really need a degree++ in Arts to sort you out. Much of your writing is bizarre. Not a film user, just digital.
did an hour and a half class today at my old high school about large format / why film is still cooler than digital. going back for the rest of the week too.
It does not take a degree in art to appreciate art in all forms, be it film, digital, you name it. Why do you think all film lovers should have your same opinions?
Only a fool would insult the thousands of digital photographers WITH ADVANCED ART DEGREES that produce awesome art from film, digital, and many other alternative mediums.
You disrespect many, many true artisans that use many mediums.
You really need to stop thinking that your degree allows you to corner the market on knowledge of art...just goes to show how ignorant you are.
Perhaps you should go back to school and learn how to appreciate art in all the forms it can take.
Art is about coming together, about pleasing the eye, stirring the soul...it is NOT about the brand of film or number of pixels on a sensor.
A year or so ago, a friend of mine inherited an old Voigtländer from her grandfather. I coached her a little on its use and we went on a night shoot on the waterfront in Windsor, Ontario. I heard a couple of weeks ago that one of her shots from that night won $200 and will be published. (the student eclipses the master)
I didn't actively promote it but... I shot a wedding in August and the bride and groom specifically asked for some outdoor B&W shots done on film. They were in their late 20's so I'd imagine most if not all of their camera experience is digital. It was great to pick up the Hassy again...
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Last weekend I was watching the show Haven on SiFi and there was a man taking photos, when something strange started happening he started taking photos. When it was over the police said to him "Great, we can just download your photos right now" His reply was "Nope, you can't I shoot film, warmer colors" I thought that was great.
What's really funny about that is someone asked me the other day why I shoot film and I said that while digital captures accurate colors, it doesn't always get them right, or to put it better, I want a photo that shows what I remember seeing and digital does not do that.
What's really funny about that is someone asked me the other day why I shoot film and I said that while digital captures accurate colors, it doesn't always get them right, or to put it better, I want a photo that shows what I remember seeing and digital does not do that.
Yesterday, the students are back and I met with the students for the darkroom activity. We talked about what they did over the summer and how much film they had shot and what projects we were going to tackle this year. And how many of the new students we were going to bring into the activity.
MattKing
Moderator
Jim:
Where is your school and what ages do you teach?
EDIT: Found your "Welcome to APUG" thread, so I know that you are in Sooke. Do you teach high school students?
Where is your school and what ages do you teach?
EDIT: Found your "Welcome to APUG" thread, so I know that you are in Sooke. Do you teach high school students?
Currently, made a new friend who wants to learn Large Format and B&W develping/printing and has bought the stuff...Evan Clarke
I have promoted Black & White film recently in our shop/minilab because recently I had found that sales of B&W film had fallen off. (remember we don't sell loads of B&W maybe 5 a month where as with colour we sell 100-150 films a month)
I put a sign in the window (see attached pic) and gradualy our B&W sales increased. Now 6 months later a few customers call in and ask if any new or different types of film have arrives. BTW we sell Ilford HP5, FP4, Neopan 400, Lucky and Foma.
I put a sign in the window (see attached pic) and gradualy our B&W sales increased. Now 6 months later a few customers call in and ask if any new or different types of film have arrives. BTW we sell Ilford HP5, FP4, Neopan 400, Lucky and Foma.
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I last encouraged its use on a trip to the Lake District (Cumbria) here in England, last week, whilst photographing Ullswater. I was stopped by a couple (well the husband actually) who were incredulous that I was using what they saw as an obsolete camera (I was using my trusty Ebony 45SU) and sheet film. The newly married husband was proudly sporting his all singing, multi-buttoned DSLR as if it were an essential part of his manhood. 
I then explained to them the benefits of large format film when you are trying to capture subtle details and the problem with digital cameras problems with highlights when using, for example, averaged exposure. I pointed out the benefits for romantic portraiture of using low contrast colour film (eg Astia F) as against rather unflattering digital.
I think from his expression that I may have diminished his manhood.
:devil:
I then explained to them the benefits of large format film when you are trying to capture subtle details and the problem with digital cameras problems with highlights when using, for example, averaged exposure. I pointed out the benefits for romantic portraiture of using low contrast colour film (eg Astia F) as against rather unflattering digital.
I think from his expression that I may have diminished his manhood.
:devil:
I have a relative with a DSLR who's into arty/alt kinds of things and expressed a desire to try B&W film. She'd already been playing with a Polaroid, so her 21st present this year is a Dynax 5 (compatible with lenses from said DSLR), selection of rolls to go with it (Ektar, Velvia and about 6 assorted B&W) and in-my-kitchen processing voucher for the B&W ones. Yes, the film and processing costs about three times as much as the camera!
Well, it's like others said: every time I go out with my Rolleiflex or M2, I promote film. All of the persons I have shot portraits with even use the scan of their b/w portrait as their facebook portrait.
Both my sons have to deliver a final work in their school career, one is building a pano head now, the other one a wooden monorail view camera (4x5). Both have been digital only in the last years, but film seems to attract them now. I never pushed them, I think they have noticed that film is special, it requires knowledge not very common any more, so it's interesting.
Holger
Both my sons have to deliver a final work in their school career, one is building a pano head now, the other one a wooden monorail view camera (4x5). Both have been digital only in the last years, but film seems to attract them now. I never pushed them, I think they have noticed that film is special, it requires knowledge not very common any more, so it's interesting.
Holger
MattKing
Moderator
I was in a local Costco warehouse store today.
A couple of the display computers were set up to access the internet. I switched them to APUG's home page.
A couple of the display computers were set up to access the internet. I switched them to APUG's home page
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Well done, Matt! Great idea.
I was in a local Costco warehouse store today.
A couple of the display computers were set up to access the internet. I switched them to APUG's home page
Oooh Matt! That's so sneaky. I'll have to try that next time I'm in a likely situation.
Today I met a woman who was excited to hear I had a B&W darkroom. She asked if I could develop some film for her. I replied, that if she liked, I'd help her develop it herself..... Hopefully she'll get thoroughly hooked on the darkside.
I was in a local Costco warehouse store today.
A couple of the display computers were set up to access the internet. I switched them to APUG's home page
At the Apple Store on St Catherines in Montreal, I set a half dozen iPads to my homepage.
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I went to a photography meet up today and I told everyone about my new FR-1 kit that I just won. Much to my surprise a few of the guys wanted to see the lot so I showed them on my laptop. Most of them are Canon guys so I just assumed that they were interested in the lenses, but a couple of the older guys nodded, mentioned having used a Yashica back in the day and said it looked like a really good kit for the $$$.
At that point I just outright asked them if any of them still owned an analog camera and when was the last time they used it and if not why? Most of them blustered and pointed at their DSLR's but a few mentioned they still had analog gear at home and I think I made my point. I mean here they were telling me what a good camera my new Yashica was, and even owning up to still having some analog gear, but their DSLR's were the only cameras getting any action?
Anyway, I had several of the guys stop me after meet up and mention that they would bring their analog gear next time to show me. I told them to bring some gosh d-d film along too! That made them laugh, but you know I think they just might. It would sure be nice not to be one of maybe two people in that group doing film sometimes.
It's not that I don't want a DSLR, I do, badly, but if I ever did finally get one, that wouldn't mean I'd just stop using my film cameras. But people do that more often than not. I guess that's a good thing in some respect, at least for analog folks, otherwise I wouldn't have another Yashica and some pretty fine lenses coming now would I?
But still, I don't get why someone would just donate a kit like the one I just picked up. That kit was LOVED and taken care of. You can see that just looking at the photos. Hardly any dust, no fungus that I can see. That kit is in such nice shape to see those pics. I actually asked and from what they tell me it really is. The manager of that store said it was very clean, very well kept.
So why did it end up in the bin at Goodwill selling for a song? I mean, I am glad it did, but I don't get it. Film's not THAT dead, and I would think that someone who had cared that much for that camera and those lenses would still be using them at least once in a while.
Anyway, I think I am going to propose the camera club have an all analog day, even if it means some folks show up with one of those disposable one time use pocket cameras. Just for the fun of it to see if they can even remember what it's like to use film!
At that point I just outright asked them if any of them still owned an analog camera and when was the last time they used it and if not why? Most of them blustered and pointed at their DSLR's but a few mentioned they still had analog gear at home and I think I made my point. I mean here they were telling me what a good camera my new Yashica was, and even owning up to still having some analog gear, but their DSLR's were the only cameras getting any action?
Anyway, I had several of the guys stop me after meet up and mention that they would bring their analog gear next time to show me. I told them to bring some gosh d-d film along too! That made them laugh, but you know I think they just might. It would sure be nice not to be one of maybe two people in that group doing film sometimes.
It's not that I don't want a DSLR, I do, badly, but if I ever did finally get one, that wouldn't mean I'd just stop using my film cameras. But people do that more often than not. I guess that's a good thing in some respect, at least for analog folks, otherwise I wouldn't have another Yashica and some pretty fine lenses coming now would I?
But still, I don't get why someone would just donate a kit like the one I just picked up. That kit was LOVED and taken care of. You can see that just looking at the photos. Hardly any dust, no fungus that I can see. That kit is in such nice shape to see those pics. I actually asked and from what they tell me it really is. The manager of that store said it was very clean, very well kept.
So why did it end up in the bin at Goodwill selling for a song? I mean, I am glad it did, but I don't get it. Film's not THAT dead, and I would think that someone who had cared that much for that camera and those lenses would still be using them at least once in a while.
Anyway, I think I am going to propose the camera club have an all analog day, even if it means some folks show up with one of those disposable one time use pocket cameras. Just for the fun of it to see if they can even remember what it's like to use film!
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