ah the old, i dont have a definition but can define someones else definition game. That game!
you did have a definition coming in and you already knew exactly how the debate would unfold but tried to justify it as "maybe a conversation with others will open closed minds ?" So you came into your thread with preconceptions of the rest of us and how we'd respond, passed judgement on honestly and openly given definitions, whilst claiming you didnt have one yourself but hoped it would all enlighten "closed minds". That's an ugly state of mind.
amateur level fishing trip. 2 stars.
In the years I've been here, I can't think of anyone who is less interested in defining what constitutes a photograph, or a "real" photographer than John. His work is always evolving, often in ways which many would argue make them something other than "real" photographs. His posts frequently involve embracing the options film photography offers, rather than limiting what it can (or should) be. His response to a post defining "real" photographers in a way which would apply to only a handful of members was spot on. Some of the best photographers I know, here and elsewhere, wouldn't be considered "real" photographers under the confined definition under discussion. However, their passion, commitment to excellence, and vision are better than many "pros". They're fully deserving of being called "real photographers", if they so choose.
November 26?I hereby declare a truce for the next 24 hours, you'll be free to resume hostilities on November 26.
Until then, have a merry Christmas folks
ah the old [ ... ]
Artistic competence? I wouldn't know where to begin, I am no artist.Pleaseprovide the standard against which “competence” is assessed and the authoritative body who certified “competence”.
indeed !... and that takes us right back to post 1. Classic.
... and that takes us right back to post 1. Classic.
Which mainframe did you write the manuals for...
I have a small collection of computer manuals. I miss Heavy Metal.
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I had this one autographed some 35 years ago. She was a Real Programmer.
Very cool! I wrote for System 370 (the MVS/JES libraries - now z/OS)
Regards,
Mike
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I had this one autographed some 35 years ago. She was a Real Programmer.
The definition of a "real programmer" that I grew up with was "A Real Programmer writes self-modifying code in FORTRAN". Much easier to have agreed on definitions. I've done a lot of that, and had chipsets made to my specifications. I never programmed on a 370, used the "Texas Instruments ASC"- which was a first generation vector supercomputer based on the 370/195.
When asked to sign my copy of the Mark I manual, Grace Hopper first asked "Where did you get this! I wrote that book" (Library Surplus from work) She then looked at the list of authors and told us that they were listed in the order that they programmed the machine. She then proceeded to tell us stories of some of them, including one that used to re-wire the computer to improve the instructions. The book needs to go to a Museum. The Smithsonian has the computer, but did not have a manual for it.
So, by this standard- a real photographer makes their own lenses to capture their vision of reality.
The definition of a "real programmer" that I grew up with was "A Real Programmer writes self-modifying code in FORTRAN". Much easier to have agreed on definitions. I've done a lot of that, and had chipsets made to my specifications. I never programmed on a 370, used the "Texas Instruments ASC"- which was a first generation vector supercomputer based on the 370/195.
When asked to sign my copy of the Mark I manual, Grace Hopper first asked "Where did you get this! I wrote that book" (Library Surplus from work) She then looked at the list of authors and told us that they were listed in the order that they programmed the machine. She then proceeded to tell us stories of some of them, including one that used to re-wire the computer to improve the instructions. The book needs to go to a Museum. The Smithsonian has the computer, but did not have a manual for it.
So, by this standard- a real photographer makes their own lenses to capture their vision of reality.
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