What the hell happend to RH timer prices!!

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I guess the best testament to these timers, is that they are rarely seen up for sale as used items. Seems everyone that buys one, loves it so much, they can't bear to part with it. Great news for Richard & RH Designs, but not so much for those hoping to save a little money. :wink:

I'd dearly like to purchase one, just need to get some $$$ together. (One thing I did note with the SDS order site, was that if I enter Australia as the country they need to ship to, I still get charged VAT. Hopefully that will be updated by the time I have the funds to purchase.) :smile: :smile:
 

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Well it's a good thing I already own a Vario, because my emails to the new supplier for a Stopclock and sundries have gone unanswered and Silverprint is not honoring the price I ordered the Stopclock at, claim it is not in stock and still list other items at the old price.

I can not even figure out what shipping would be for a Stopclock from SDS.

I miss dealing with Richard already....what a mess...
 

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Apologies that Silverprint is unable to help on this one. If it were in stock we would have done our best... however it's a massive price increase of which we weren't informed by the new distributors.

After many years trading with Richard all our best wishes to him for a well earned retirement... and I'm sure all who are using his products concur!
 

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I also placed an order for a Stopclock Pro with Silverprint. They responded very quickly with an explanation that they were out of stock and the reason for the price increase. My only previous experience with Silverprint was ordering a copy of Tim Rudman's toning book--and it was shipped out immediately. I wouldn't hesitate to order from them again and note that their shipping charge for the Stopclock Pro to the US is very reasonable.
 

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I understand Martin and appreciate it.

Last year I had a Metrolux-II compensating timer with my D2-HI cold light head. As anyone knows, they are no longer made so I contacted Richard about his products because I want to start teaching workshops in the next 18-24 months and wanted to standardize to a more up to date and still manufactured system, RH Designs looked perfect for that and still is. But with these increases, I might have to use regular timers on the 3rd and 4th enlarger stations. I can offer more advanced classes on two enlargers including one setup for murals so two Stopclocks will have to do...

I heard from Paul at SDS this morning and he gave good and logical explanation for the company's plans for the RH Designs which echoes what Richard has stated in other posts.

In some ways, a price hike would be expected even if Richard were still making them so it is what it is and in the long run, like film, I would rather have a higher priced StopClock than none at all.

I put my order in...ouch up front, profit from print sales later...
 
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Maybe it's a trade secret but I'm wondering how many of these timers they actually sell? Annually and totally. Are we talking thousands or hundreds?
 

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I wish you well Richard. I'm a long time fan of RH Designs stuff. It works. Good luck in your retirement. Maybe you'll get the time to explore Swindale in the lake District :smile:
 

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Stopclock Pro ordered from SDS arrived, they shipped fast with great double packing, thanks to the new makers of RH Designs!

Price increase or not, the product is outstanding and worth the money, happy to support them...
 
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I can certainly deal with an increase like the one RHDesign timers have just now had. It is not that I have a lot of money laying around to spend but it is the disappearances of products that makes me really upset. I expect that a roll of film may be over ten dollars a roll in four or five years ... but that does not make me want to move away from film. The thought that there may only be three or four emulsions one day ... now that makes me want to give up on analog sometimes when I really get down in the dumps.

I'm relieved that RHDesign's passion for his products included the planning and execution of passing the torch. It is a marvelously decent thing to do, and ensures at least a few more years of availability. Thank you!
 

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This means that my 'investment' in my Analyzer Pro has outperformed my stock investments. I should have purchased more!
 

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The thought that there may only be three or four emulsions one day ... now that makes me want to give up on analog sometimes when I really get down in the dumps.

I assume you are talking about black and white, right? What if Ilford only made the two Delta's, FP4 and HP5 but kept it in 35, 120 and LF and still did ULF runs, would that not be enough?

All I really need is one film because I make the photograph happen, not having a picnic basket full of two dozen kinds of films. Some of the best black and white shooters in the world use 1-2 different emulsions....just something to think about...
 

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I assume you are talking about black and white, right? What if Ilford only made the two Delta's, FP4 and HP5 but kept it in 35, 120 and LF and still did ULF runs, would that not be enough?

All I really need is one film because I make the photograph happen, not having a picnic basket full of two dozen kinds of films. Some of the best black and white shooters in the world use 1-2 different emulsions....just something to think about...

In some ways, yes that would be enough and in others, no ... not really. I know that one of the things I enjoy about film is how it is challenging. I see the wisdom, and benefit by the practice of knowing your materials on the one hand but also love the tinkering with new emulsions, new developer and new look - whether is works well or not. That is so much of why I like film still. I often kicks my butt ... but then slowly I learn and improve. I'm not in it just for the results. More like the journey, really.

But think how much we would lose if there were only a few emulsions. We would loose certain possibilities and also I think that we lose people along the way each time something is discontinued. As we lose shooters .... less consumption and higher prices. For instance as Efke was making the decision to get out I was about to buy two hundred rolls of its iso 25 film in both 35 and 120 and stock up on a ton of its silver rich fixed grade paper for lith. That week they announced and I changed plans. I don't want to watch a dwindling freezer as experience leads me to love a particular film or paper more and more. No ... I'm no in need of that kind of suffering! :smile:

Personally I use 3 Nikon F3hp's for when we go on one of our by-monthly photo trips and I sometime use the 35 the whole time and sometimes when we walk around a city. I keep arista premium (plus-x) @iso 80 in one body, and sometimes switch to fomapan 100 or 200 for a different look. I keep arista premium 400 @ 320 for when the light changes in a second F3 and the same film at 1600 for diafine when needed. That way I can shoot fairly wide open in bright light all the way to the end of the day .... and it keeps me for reaching for my D3, and keeps me grinning.

We like to shoot garden cemeteries up and down the east coast. Mostly we use a Mamiya 645 MF and a Mamiya RZ. There are of course advantages and disadvantages to all systems and on the RZ for example the disadvantage is the 1/400th top speed and the fact that I don't see well enough to focus if I use more than a two stop ND. Iso 25 sure comes in handy on some days whereas iso 100 is fine the rest of the way. I love the look of the fomapan films, shooting old cemetery statues and angels. The look somehow fits, imho. But that film really sucks for night time shooting.

Well, I know that all the examples I've used are obvious ... so perhaps the reason that one film would never work for me is that I have not found one single passion for what I like to shoot, like some of you have .... my subject matter is all over the place. But that adds to the enjoyment of it for me. At this point I feel like that I am standing at the film buffet, faced pressed agains the glass, marveling at the wealth, pondering the delights, and salivating, and I can't wait to get at it, each and every film day.

When I imagine standing there ... looking at a equivalent of a cupcake and a loaf of bread, the same things I've eaten every day for the last year ... again - Well, the price hike on that RHDesign thing of beauty ... it's not bad at all. One film and one developer and no choice - now that IS what I dread! You may find me, then, at McDonalds eating digital:smile:
 

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I can't comment on the price changes as that's down to SDS, however yes, I have decided to retire later this year and SDS are taking over the manufacture and sale of RH products. I was able to keep prices lower for longer because I don't have big overheads but the hidden costs of making anything on a commercial basis these days are getting higher all the time. Insurance is a major factor, plus compliance with regulations (and expense!) for waste electrical appliance disposal etc all adds up. You can buy products made elsewhere for less than the cost of the parts to build them in the UK, but unfortunately the market size these days makes it completely unviable to manufacture in, for example, China. Volumes have dropped over the last couple of years too. The main thing is that they will still be available for the forseeable future.
... and let's not forget Richard, your products are remarkable ,unique and terribly useful for any darkroom. I do not regret a penny I spent on them.
 

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I am happy with my Analyser pro and don't regret a penny spent on it. I've probably saved at least that much in paper! :smile:
 
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