What power cords will make my US-version Elinchrom lights plug in here in Aus? HELP!

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Whilst this is true, I would hope that the transformer has a fuse in place to maintain the integrity of the magic smoke containment devices. And with excessive load, the winding from the unit being powered to the live input will be the one most likely to fail so this will cut the power to the device. The winding in parallel with the output is less likely to fail under excessive load as the voltage across it will reduce as the load increases.

I think the OP was worried about the general idea of plugging into a transformer. With the transformer suggested, there should be no problem.

Steve.

As far as the OP goes, there is indeed no need to worry as long as the transformer is not underrated. I have two of these things in my house, they're $65 autotransformers but hugely overrated for their loads and will basically never fail. You can spend the extra for an isolated transformer as linked on the first page but the additional cost is so huge (as much as a new flash!) as to be pointless.

If the voltage ratio is greater than 2:1 (e.g. 240V -> 60V), then there is more current through the parallel winding (N-1 times the input current for a voltage ratio of N) than the series winding, so it's the parallel winding that will fail. If we're talking about a 2:1 transformer that's overloaded, there's still a 50:50 current ratio through the windings and a 50:50 chance of the catastrophic failure. Best idea is to not stress the transformers, which is why buying any old $20 100W autotransformer would be a really bad idea - you run a 50% chance of destroying your flash by plugging it into that.

Fuses prevent fires, not damage; the fuse will only blow when the current gets too high, not the voltage. Especially once you consider fuse reaction times, the load device will certainly be destroyed (though not necessarily irreparably) before the fuse pops. The fuse is depending on fault-current through the load to blow so by definition it cannot save the load from damage. While it is possible to build an over-voltage protection circuit, they're not included in these cheap transformers.
 
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magic smoke containment devices

Ha! someone else who knows the secret knowledge that everything electrical is actually operated by smoke, not electrons like they teach in skool. Once the smoke escapes the device can't work.

The expected power consumption is therefore about 750W, so 1000W is a fairly safe/conservative estimate.

Totally agree. The manual actually says "maximum connected load A/VA = 6.3/1500" which as I said before will have a safety margin built in. As the 1500W transformers I found links to were continuously rated at 1000W and only 1 hour at 1500W, if it was me that's what I would go for, for the little extra comfort of knowing I was well within spec no matter how hard I pushed, but totally agree that a single 2000W unit with 2 outlets will 99.9% be OK most of the time.

I would suggest though that you buy them (the identical device!) from eBay though for pricing reasons

I didn't do enough research!! Holly - this is definitely the way to go!
 
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Oh my god, I'm confused now!

Magic smoke?! What? You're losin me guys, bear in mind I'm quite right-brained and number-dyslexic at the best of times.
So Polyglot, the way you added it up to 1000W, you're saying that each 600W flash head will really equal only 1000W and so I could
get away with plugging the two of them into the one 2000W transformer?

When you say 'causes its breaker to pop' if connecting both flashes at once, does that mean I've killed that transformer and need to
get it fixed by someone? I don't know the lingo too well, sorry.

I couldn't find that item number on ebay, can you give me a link pls? I kind of want to buy from an actual shop in Aus, knowing my
luck and ability to screw even the simplest things up, if something does go wrong with the transformer/s I'll need the peace of mind
that I can call a Sydney or Melbs number and not have to deal with o/s language barriers, etc. Thinking it will just be less hassley.
(With *fewer* hassles, Steve! lol)
 

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Hi Holly

Sorry, no intent to confuse! Just go and buy either 1 x 2000W step-down from ebay from the link polyglot gave. It will be good enough. Alternatively you could buy 2 x 1000W units. These will be just powerful enough for the job. If you are feeling slightly richer and want a little more security get 1 x 3000W or 2 x 1500W. These will run with slightly less stress. Honestly, they WILL work. You don't need to spend extra by going to a shop.

Ignore the comments about magic smoke. Its a secret known only to those who tinker with things electrical.
 

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Ignore the comments about magic smoke. Its a secret known only to those who tinker with things electrical.

And pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.


Steve.
 
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Haha ok I will not worry myself with the mysteries of magical smoke, as intriguing as it sounds.
I ended up talking to a place in SA (Polyglot's hometown and my birthplace in fact) and the guy was awesome -
took 15 minutes to chat and talk about other photogs who'd bought other transformers, downloaded the Elinchrom
manual and went through it with me, did the maths and agreed that each light would need the 1500W separately.

But in the end I did order two of the 2000W stepdowns so that a. I can be comPLETEly sure it can deal with the load,
and b. when I get around to adding more lights to my kit I'll already have enough plugs for them. If that makes sense.
(Oh, and they were out of stock of the 1500W ones, so just to get on with the show and actually TAKE SOME PHOTOS soon, I
grabbed the best available!) So, happy for now :smile:
 

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Haha ok I will not worry myself with the mysteries of magical smoke, as intriguing as it sounds.

There's no mystery really. Those of us that tinker with electronics know that it's magic smoke which makes things work. When something goes wrong and the smoke is released, it doesn't work any more.

And I've released lots of smoke in my time!


Steve.
 
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Well hey smoking is bad for your health so it's better out than in!
I looked at that ebay link pic, compared it to the pic of the one I've just put an order in for,
why does one have 110V and the other have 120V? Does that matter?
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/240v-110v-Step-Down-Stepdown-Transformer-2000w-Watt-B-/270767008656?pt=AU_Gadgets&hash=item3f0af8ab90
http://performanceshop.com.au/2000W-240V-to-120V-Stepdown-Voltage-Converter-8Zed_3163.html#product_description

Have a look at the enlarged pics and tell me if that matters.
 

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why does one have 110V and the other have 120V? Does that matter?

No, it doesn't matter.

Generally, these transformers will give you half the input voltage. The UK used to have a 240 volts mains supply and the rest of Europe was 220 volts. We have now standardised on 230 volts across Europe and I think Australia is 230 volts as well.

What this means is that you will probably get 115 volts out of both of them. A variation of ten volts either way on the mains supply is not uncommon and is nothing to worry about.


Steve.
 

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But in the end I did order two of the 2000W stepdowns so that a. I can be comPLETEly sure it can deal with the load,
and b. when I get around to adding more lights to my kit I'll already have enough plugs for them. If that makes sense.
(Oh, and they were out of stock of the 1500W ones, so just to get on with the show and actually TAKE SOME PHOTOS soon, I
grabbed the best available!) So, happy for now

Result! And don't get doubts that you did the right thing buying from the guys you could talk to and are big enough to have a store. That way you get peace of mind and a decent warranty. Look forward to seeing some results in the gallery in due course!
 
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Hope so! A big cheers to you guys for being so resourceful and helpful, honestly it's made the difference
where it was greatly needed.
 
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