But you frame a picture for the best composition at the time you shoot it. You don't need to previsualize anything. It's right there before you in the viewfinder. I seem to get the feeling that this is being hyped as to something mystical. Sort of like the black arts of a secret society.I see a projected image on a screen.
As you use a TV screen to present yours, you need to visualize the results presented in that manner.
Some subjects are difficult to present well in the forms available to us - shapes that don't fit well on a screen, lighting conditions that cause problems, objects in the scene that obscure and distract - there are a myriad of factors that cause us to think something like" "yes that will look good as a "straight" photograph", "no I can't see any way to make a good photograph of that", or "yes I can make a good photograph of that if I use techniques A), B) and C) while in the darkroom/post processing".
No matter what you do, you are translating the original scene into a final photographic product. Or you decide not to do so. In each case though, you are visualizing the results, when you decide to trip the shutter.
Some don't visualize at the time of exposure. They just "capture" at that time. They don't bring visualization into the process until they are evaluating the "captures".
I prefer not to work that way.
I seem to get the feeling that this is being hyped as to something mystical. Sort of like the black arts of a secret society.
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There's a lot of good, common sense replies. It's probably just my interpretation, but when I read books or otherwise ingest information, "visualization" is often spoken of as if its some form of ritualistic exercise carried out by only the highly educated deities in art. No on ever says that its simply "your imagination."
Yeah. Whooo! When I use to smoke pot, I would previsualize all sorts of stuff.I think you're feeling kinda the way I was feeling when I asked the question.
With regards to your telephone pole, the mere thought that you thought the telephone pole sticking out of the subjects head is wrong, is visualization (if I'm understanding everyone correctly). You knew that the telephone pole would look wrong in the final print, and so you moved. You "pre-visualized" the finished product and made a decision before capturing the image on film (or sensor.)
As far as poles, I don't need to think about what it looks like on a print. I could see it right there in the viewfinder. Do you need to previsualize to use rules of thirds or balance pictures on the ground glass? It's not clear to me how thinking about the print is better than looking in front of you through the camera while you're composing? Maybe someone can clear that up for me.
I don't pre-visualize, unless I am in a Minor White* frame of mind.But you frame a picture for the best composition at the time you shoot it. You don't need to previsualize anything. It's right there before you in the viewfinder. I seem to get the feeling that this is being hyped as to something mystical. Sort of like the black arts of a secret society.
For example, you aim the camera and there's a telephone pole sticking out of your subject's head. Well, I don't have to previsualize anything. It's right there and wrong. So I move over so the pole shifts. What am I previsualizing? Then I wait for the sun to start setting so the picture and the subject warms up, again in my viewfinder. What am I previsualizing there? IF you don't see and get it at the time of the shot, you don't;t get it. Well, unless you do a lot of photoshopping like cloning skies or darkroom magic which is a separate discussion.
It is simpler than that.If I'm understanding everyone correctly, think about shooting white clouds on a blue sky made with black and white film. What you see in your viewfinder is not what is going to be on the print. Before you take the photo on black and white film, you know that in the resulting image you want to separate the clouds from the sky some, so you decide to use a yellow, or red filter. Thinking about the cloud/sky separation, and making the decision to use the filter, is in fact visualization.
I think God had something to do with it.I visualized this as the bad-ass thunderstorm it was. Did I succeed?
Pentax K1000, 50mm f2, HP5+ in Rodinal 1:50. No filter.
I used to chant mantras before setting up the scene for a landscape shot. My camera wouldn't cooperate. Now, not so much.Basically yes. I mean if you consciously take a picture you have essentially visualized what you think it will look like as a photograph (or how you'd like to look etc.). I don't think you can really help it. I also don't think it is worth overcomplicating.
People make a big deal about it because of the context Ansel Adams used it in - ie standing before a scene, imagining how you'd like it to look in black and white so that the print is expressive of your feelings about the scene to some degree, and letting that mental picture guide how you proceed technically - technique being used as a (hopefully) path of least resistance to the final print.
I think God had something to do with it.But it is a nice shot.
God helping you again.Thanks. And thankfully it was headed away from our house.
People make a big deal about it because of the context Ansel Adams used it in - ie standing before a scene, imagining how you'd like it to look in black and white so that the print is expressive of your feelings about the scene to some degree, and letting that mental picture guide how you proceed technically - technique being used as a (hopefully) path of least resistance to the final print.
I visualized this as the bad-ass thunderstorm it was. Did I succeed?
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Wasn't visualization required more with Admas due to the limitation of print papers and the film at the time?
If I'm understanding everyone correctly, think about shooting white clouds on a blue sky made with black and white film. What you see in your viewfinder is not what is going to be on the print. Before you take the photo on black and white film, you know that in the resulting image you want to separate the clouds from the sky some, so you decide to use a yellow, or red filter. Thinking about the cloud/sky separation, and making the decision to use the filter, is in fact visualization.
The people who need visualization the most are slide shooters who project their work.Wasn't visualization required more with Admas due to the limitation of print papers and the film at the time?
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