What is the best analog camera?

[flavio81]

I agree ! Spotmatics are wonderful cameras.

+1
I love my spotmatics.

 

[Leigh B]

Don't film cameras like the F6 have the same algorithm?

the F6 is not a film camera.

It's a digital camera with a film transport in place of the LCD display.

-Leigh

 

[blockend]

One of the skills that does transfer from digital to film, is manual exposure is best! Also with film and digital you'll get something out the camera on auto, but it might not be optimal.

 

[Leigh B]

I have never encountered a digital camera that ignores the exposure settings I use and alters the look of the images based on evaluation algorithms when shooting RAW with manual exposure. I get exactly the results I expect, no surprises.

Of course you won't see the operation of the algorithms if you shoot manual exposure.

That's the definition of "manual exposure".

When you do that, you turn off the adjustments that are performed during "automatic exposure".
RTFM. Operation in automatic mode is well-documented, even if the exact algorithms are not.

- Leigh

 

[Leigh B]

Now I've found a site that refers to it as the exposure tricycle...

That must certainly be correct.

It's not possible to find erroneous information on the glorified internet.

- Leigh

 

[fstop]

the F6 is not a film camera.

It's a digital camera with a film transport in place of the LCD display.

-Leigh

Thats weird Nikon says its a film camera.
Ken Rockwell says "The F6 is the best 35mm SLR I've ever used."

 

[Sirius Glass]

What Ken Rockwell knows about photography can be stored in a thimble. His misinformation can be stored in a large garbage truck.

 

[fstop]

You realize he reads this forum don't you?
Must have given your favorite brand a poor review.

 

[Chan Tran]

I don't think photography resembles a triangle either. That is unless you're taking pictures of triangles I suppose. If I get enough people to criticize the term could we get it changed back to exposure triangle? Photographic triangle is too broad a term. It would encompass more than just exposure. Photographic could also pertain to composition, use of negative space, techniques for double exposure, it literally encompasses all things photography. At least exposure triangle limited the term to exposure. Who is this Peterson fella anyways? Pretty cocky of them to take a well established concept and rename it and expect everyone to follow him. Maybe he should have taken it a step further and called it the Peterson triangle.

Are you sure you never read the Book by that Peterson guy? Honestly?

 

[Ces1um]

Are you sure you never read the Book by that Peterson guy? Honestly?

I've read Ansel Adams' books. Honestly, I've never read Peterson's book. Worthwhile?

 

[Ces1um]

That must certainly be correct.

It's not possible to find erroneous information on the glorified internet.

- Leigh

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It's true, if someone else writes it then it must be true. Also, I find only the best and finest medical information can also be found on the internet.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

The picture proved my point. Although all of the 5 cameras in the picture are good looking cameras they all look ugly in gold.

Gold has many good qualities. That you personally associate it with some negative attribute is just stereotyping . . .

Sorry to continue a tangential thread, but I have to agree with Chan Tran here. To me, gold on a camera, a watch, a gun, or a car is just tacky. I wouldn't accept or allow any of those cameras into my house even if they were given for free.

Just my opinion though.

A Krugerrand, however, is a different matter.

 

[Leigh B]

Thats weird Nikon says its a film camera.
Ken Rockwell says "The F6 is the best 35mm SLR I've ever used."

Nikon says whatever their marketing department and ad agency think they should say.
One of the basic laws of the universe is: "Never believe advertising copy.".

Ken says whatever his audience will understand.

Look at the schematic for the camera.
Do you know what a microprocessor is and what it does in a camera?

-Leigh

 

[fstop]

Sorry to continue a tangential thread, but I have to agree with Chan Tran here. To me, gold on a camera, a watch, a gun, or a car is just tacky. I wouldn't accept or allow any of those cameras into my house even if they were given for free.

Just my opinion though.

A Krugerrand, however, is a different matter.

Every gentleman must own a gold watch. Gold inlays on guns are interesting, not practical however.Gold Gran Prix FAs are the epitome of tacky.

F-6 Nikons take film, if it looks like a duck.... its a film camera and a real good one at that, get over what ever issues you have with modern cameras. as for not knowing what the camera did, you are dead wrong, the F-6 can log EXIF data for you.

 

[Chan Tran]

I've read Ansel Adams' books. Honestly, I've never read Peterson's book. Worthwhile?

So did you invented the term "Triangle" yourself or you heard/read somewhere? Adams, I think most would agree that he is an expert on exposure, didn't know about the Triangle himself. There was no mention of the "Triangle" anywhere in any of his books.

 

[Les Sarile]

Just my opinion though.

I obviously have a better appreciation of materials and their uses and don't have the same negative association that you have with gold and it's uses. I don't think of it as just bling. In my world, gold has many uses.

 

[flavio81]

the F6 is not a film camera.

It's a digital camera with a film transport in place of the LCD display.

-Leigh

Ah, so it is a film camera then.

 

[flavio81]

Nikon says whatever their marketing department and ad agency think they should say.(...)
Look at the schematic for the camera.
Do you know what a microprocessor is and what it does in a camera?

-Leigh

Microprocessors are inside film cameras since 1976 and doing no harm to anyone. Get over it.

 

[Leigh B]

Microprocessors are inside film cameras since 1976 and doing no harm to anyone.

Suggesting that today's micro control systems are the same as those of 40 years ago indicates you have absolutely no clue what the micro does nor how it's used in a modern camera.

The algorithms and sensors in common use today had not been invented 40 years ago, nor had processors with sufficient power to implement them.

- Leigh

 

[Theo Sulphate]

I obviously have a better appreciation of materials and their uses and don't have the same negative association that you have with gold and it's uses. I don't think of it as just bling. In my world, gold has many uses.

No problem. I also appreciate gold contacts in electronic circuits.

 

[Theo Sulphate]

...
The algorithms and sensors in common use today had not been invented 40 years ago, nor had processors with sufficient power to implement them.
...

That's correct. In addition to metering and controlling the exposure, the microprocessor(s) and algorithms used in a digital camera control how the sensor reacts to light (e.g. ISO sensitivity for one thing) and can interpret individual pixel values that ultimately get written to the storage device (e.g. SD card).

However, on the F6 (or even F5), the microprocessor(s) are controlling only the duration of the exposure and the aperture. The processors aren't doing anything to the latent film image at any lower granularity - certainly not at the equivalent level of a pixel.

The F5 and F6 have the appearance and handling of a digital camera, but they are film cameras - there is no digital (algorithmic) manipulation or interpretation of individual image elements.

 

[daleeman]

Pin hole will never wear out

 

[Ces1um]

So did you invented the term "Triangle" yourself or you heard/read somewhere? Adams, I think most would agree that he is an expert on exposure, didn't know about the Triangle himself. There was no mention of the "Triangle" anywhere in any of his books.

Did I invent the term exposure triangle? No, I did not. It's commonly known though. You yourself referenced it back on page 4 of this thread, response #90. Not sure exactly why you asked this?

Did Adams know about the triangle? I'm sure he understood the underlying concept but I'm not aware if he knew the term defining that concept.

You had asked me if I was sure I hadn't read Peterson's book- not sure why you asked me that. I answered I hadn't, but had read Ansel's books only to show that I have read books on photography, esp ones pertaining to exposure. Why did you ask that anyways? Seems like a strange question so maybe I'm missing something about why you asked that?

 

[Ces1um]

Pin hole will never wear out

Have you seen the Ondu pinhole cameras? They seem quite nice. They look like they'd last forever. I really should try out pinhole photography one of these days. I just need to clear out a few old cameras to make space for a few new cameras in my collection first.

 

[Ces1um]

Oh- and Happy New Years everyone!